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re: For skeptics of the new NIL/Portal of College Football
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:34 am to Raoul_Duke
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:34 am to Raoul_Duke
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High school recruiting is mostly the same. The big difference is all of these top teams will lose a significant number of those players to the portal, while years past they would mostly stay and ride the bench. Yes they still initially sign them, but if they don’t play they’re gone. So it inflates those numbers. The portal talent is also undervalued. The players who never played at the big schools are usually dropped in value even though we have no idea how good they are on the field. The players from small schools who’ve played as starters for 2-3 years have incredibly valuable experience that is hard to quantify
The reason they typically transfer is because they got beat out by other players as they weren't as good as people thought.
When that isn't the case, they do not change much and sometimes gain value.
Julian Sayin for example was a 98 rated QB as a transfer. He left Alabama when Saban retired after only being there a few weeks. In the transfer portal, his rating was...98.
Caleb Downs transfers away from Alabama when Saban retired even though he was a starter for Alabama. He had a 99 rating as prospect, and he had a 99 rating as transfer.
Alabama incoming transfers last year:
Hill-Green from Colorado last year. His score was 89 as a prospect and 92 as a transfer.
Kam Dewberry - Came from A&M. He was a 4 star with a 97 when he committed to A&M. But he was only an 89 3 star when transferring to Alabama.
Cam Calhoun from Utah - 4 star 89 as a prospect, but moved up to 92 as a transfer.
Kelby Collins from Florida. 97 as a high school prospect, but only a 90 when transfering in to Alabama.
Arkel Anugwom - Not even rated as a prospect, transfered as an 88 3 star.
Dre Washington - 82 3 star as a prospect, up to 88 as a transfer.
Peter Knudson, a TE from weber state. 76 as a recruit, 84 as a transfer.
And so on.
Each of these players were increased or decreased based on actual factors, not just randomly.
The reason you see players grade higher when coming to a bigger school is the entire reason they were picked up by the bigger schools.
You're just making claims that aren't true is your problem here.
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:36 am to NickPapageorgio
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Yet you are the one having a hissy fit.
Lol
Who are you trying to convince?
I come here to talk about these topics and I've been doing it for over 10 years. You're just one of the few people dumb enough to try and debate me on it.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:37 am to 3down10
Curse at the sky kid.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:39 am to NickPapageorgio
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Curse at the sky kid.
Well if you feel like getting schooled on these topics anymore, feel free to say more dumb shite.
Otherwise, cope however you wish.
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 11:39 am
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:42 am to 3down10
I've wrecked you over and over.
Tell us again how you watched the playoffs and portal for 50 years.
Bwahaha
Tell us again how you watched the playoffs and portal for 50 years.
Bwahaha
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:44 am to NickPapageorgio
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I've wrecked you over and over.
Tell us again how you watched the playoffs and portal for 50 years.
Bwahaha
Again, who are you trying to convince?
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:00 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Sure but the elite programs can also go poach a lower level starter or someone else to fill a hole where they may have a recruiting miss.
Suddenly, a school like LSU has two Heisman winners they wouldn't have had otherwise.
Or Miami can poach a Cam Ward, etc
Ultimately, the rich just get richer.
You’re right. There’s nuance and ripple effects to each argument. It’s still new enough we don’t totally know the impacts.
A&M might have the SEC defensive player of the year from the portal. A year after we have DL’s drafted 1, 2, 2 rounds and it looked to be our weakness. The rich will get richer
We bring in guys like top WR’s KC and Craver and immediately one of our highest ranked WR’s Noah Thomas gets in the portal and is now at Georgia. Ultimately the top 45 players at schools like LSU/A&M might get even better, but it’s near impossible to have 90 good players like we used to see at OSU/Bama.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:04 pm to Raoul_Duke
Thats after Ole Miss took an elite DL from aTm in the portal last year.
Ole Miss had our most players ever drafted last April. Nearly all from the portal.
They came from aTm, Bama, Arkansas, Florida.....
Everything is same as always, obviously.
Ole Miss had our most players ever drafted last April. Nearly all from the portal.
They came from aTm, Bama, Arkansas, Florida.....
Everything is same as always, obviously.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:42 pm to 3down10
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Kam Dewberry - Came from A&M. He was a 4 star with a 97 when he committed to A&M. But he was only an 89 3 star when transferring to Alabama.
Dewberry is a good example of a type of transfer. He’s a good kid with talent. Practiced for years against at least a handful of 1st and 2nd round D-linemen. Got beat out by our starters on the O-line. He was as plug and play as it gets. To me, his value was far higher than the equivalent of some 89 3 star out of high school, yet talent composites treat it as such
Another good example type would be Dezz Ricks. 98 5 star out of high school. 94 4 star transfer. Yeah, he got beat out at Bama and didn’t play much year 1. He’s an 18 year old freshman though. Almost zero real college tape on him from 12 months there. 4 years of HS got him to elite status and it goes away like depreciation of a new car barely driving it off the lot. Not saying they weren’t right to drop him, just that there’s a thin margin that makes a big difference in total talent composite rankings
The context of the SEC to SEC school transfer matters so much
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:57 pm to Raoul_Duke
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Dewberry is a good example of a type of transfer. He’s a good kid with talent. Practiced for years against at least a handful of 1st and 2nd round D-linemen. Got beat out by our starters on the O-line. He was as plug and play as it gets. To me, his value was far higher than the equivalent of some 89 3 star out of high school, yet talent composites treat it as such
Another good example type would be Dezz Ricks. 98 5 star out of high school. 94 4 star transfer. Yeah, he got beat out at Bama and didn’t play much year 1. He’s an 18 year old freshman though. Almost zero real college tape on him from 12 months there. 4 years of HS got him to elite status and it goes away like depreciation of a new car barely driving it off the lot. Not saying they weren’t right to drop him, just that there’s a thin margin that makes a big difference in total talent composite rankings
The context of the SEC to SEC school transfer matters so much
You said yourself they got beat out. Ricks was a 97 prospect, considered the #3 CB recruit. He transferred as a 94, which is still great and the 4th best CB transfer. You're acting like he's being shite on or something.
You can question the individual scores if you want, but they are just trying to do honest evaluations of them the same as in recruiting.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:33 pm to NickPapageorgio
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Ole Miss had our most players ever drafted last April. Nearly all from the portal.
They came from aTm, Bama, Arkansas, Florida.....
Everything is same as always, obviously.
8 players drafted in the 2025 draft.
You had 6 drafted in 2019 from a terrible team.
Maybe better coaching gets 2 more there.
2016 had 5 drafted.
Where is the evidence of this massive shift that you're claiming has happened?
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:43 pm to SidewalkTiger
Major shift?
I only claimed, ever, that NIL/portal has made the top 15 teams closer in talent than ever before.
And the shift has just begun. Give it a few years buddy.
Perhaps Indiana will win the title this year and then you can figure out how it wasn't NIL portal and nothing really changed at all.
I cant wait to see the way you make aTm or Oregon or Indiana into nothing different when they finally win a title led by a bunch of key portal pieces.
It will be funny.
I only claimed, ever, that NIL/portal has made the top 15 teams closer in talent than ever before.
And the shift has just begun. Give it a few years buddy.
Perhaps Indiana will win the title this year and then you can figure out how it wasn't NIL portal and nothing really changed at all.
I cant wait to see the way you make aTm or Oregon or Indiana into nothing different when they finally win a title led by a bunch of key portal pieces.
It will be funny.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:58 pm to NickPapageorgio
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I only claimed, ever, that NIL/portal has made the top 15 teams closer in talent than ever before.
And the shift has just begun. Give it a few years buddy.
Perhaps Indiana will win the title this year and then you can figure out how it wasn't NIL portal and nothing really changed at all.
I cant wait to see the way you make aTm or Oregon or Indiana into nothing different when they finally win a title led by a bunch of key portal pieces.
Indiana isn't a top 15 team as far as talent or resources goes, so yes, it'd certainly be a big deal if they win a title.
Oregon and Texas A&M aren't the same as Indiana.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 2:08 pm to 3down10
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Weird how it doesn't show in recruiting rankings, on the field results or basically any where.
Show me where the dominant teams are then? Surely, if there is not more parity than before, there has to be some dominant teams
Posted on 11/5/25 at 2:28 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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Show me where the dominant teams are then? Surely, if there is not more parity than before, there has to be some dominant teams
Alabama only went undefeated twice during the Saban era. 2009 where we barely won multiple games, and 2020. In 2020 Alabama was pretty dominate and still only managed a 6 point win against Florida in the SECCG.
In 2019, LSU had wins by margins of 3, 5 and 7(to a team NR in one of the polls and 25 in the other).
So show me where the dominate teams were previously. 1995 Nebraska is the only team I can think of. What exactly is the standard here?
Also, development is what's really down.
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 2:29 pm
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