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Posted on 9/4/24 at 1:10 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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Where are you getting this?
The multiple fans that are saying they can choose Lane Kiffin and he will automatically jump at the chance to coach at Florida. Because Florida > Ole Miss.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 1:17 pm to Weagle25
So, without Stallings and the Bear, Bama has never won any SEC ships?
Posted on 9/4/24 at 1:41 pm to boXerrumble
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Every school was doing this… stop being a hypocrite.
But Florida got caught. I mean, are you seriously going to use the, "Everybody was doing it!" argument?
You cheated. You got caught. You paid the consequences.
Imagine assaulting somebody and when the police arrests you, you decide to go to court and your defense is, "Other people assault people, so I should not be punished!"
Posted on 9/4/24 at 1:46 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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Go look up the 100+ violations the NCAA claimed, half of which they retracted and ask yourself did ANY of those violations give UF a competitive advantage. When an athlete borrows a couple hundred dollars from a friend, who happened to be an assistant, so he could travel to his moms funeral, that he paid back and the ncaa says that’s a violation. Screw the ncaa. They sucked and were in the wrong for decades profiting off of slave labor.
1. Slave Labor.-Nope. Players are given tuition, tutors, medical care, free room and board. Tuition runs $25,000-$30,000 a year. Have you priced insurance?
2. Nothing serious?
Many of the violations were minor–buying a T-shirt, buying a meal–but at least half were serious: using cash inducements to get players, scalping complimentary tickets at a profit for players and coaches, having a slush fund, providing illegal room and board and spying on opponents. After being granted immunity against loss of eligibility, All-America offensive tackle Lomas Brown admitted getting cash, having his tickets sold for cash and getting illegal lodging for himself and his parents. All-America linebacker Lorenzo Johnson admitted accepting money and scalping his tickets.
I'll bet Florida fans were aghast at Michigan spying on opponents, yet it's ok for Florida? Slush funds? Paying players long before it was legal. Lodging for players and their parents?
Sorry, but I just don't think Florida has a case to have the 1984 SEC title restored.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:12 pm to Oklahomey
That was a great team.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:15 pm to EssexTiger
That is Charlie Pell's/ Galen Hall's 1984/1985? team was loaded and a terrific team.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:17 pm to captdalton
Now do Alabama. Take away the Bear Bryant and Nick Saban years and their program is still good but not really that great anymore.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:17 pm to DawgsLife
quote:Tuition at UF RIGHT NOW, is $6,400 a year. It was $2,300 in 1984. Do the math and players were paid Pennies per hour. Why do you think MOST players at every D1 school sold their tickets. I never needed a tutor and only used medical when I broke my ribs, ankl, hand, fingers and got concussed a half dozen times. Insurance? WTF. Years later after I graduated, I’ve had 3 back surgeries, one that cost $140k, degenerative arthritis, short term memory loss, etc. and the school hasn’t paid a dime, neither was their any insurance once you leave.
Slave Labor.-Nope. Players are given tuition, tutors, medical care, free room and board. Tuition runs $25,000-$30,000 a year. Have you priced insurance? 2. Nothing serious? Many of the violations were minor–buying a T-shirt, buying a meal–but at least half were serious: using cash inducements to get players, scalping complimentary tickets at a profit for players and coaches, having a slush fund, providing illegal room and board and spying on opponents. After being granted immunity against loss of eligibility, All-America offensive tackle Lomas Brown admitted getting cash, having his tickets sold for cash and getting illegal lodging for himself and his parents. All-America linebacker Lorenzo Johnson admitted accepting money and scalping his tickets.
Do you know why Pell had a slush fund? Because his assistants were underpaid. That fund was a few thousand dollars to help people in need. Not to recruit players. Spying allegations was bullshite and didn’t happen. So now you think Lomas is a career criminal. Maybe if he had a small stipend every month, to buy a candy bar, he wouldn’t have to find ways to make ends meet while making the university and the NCAA billions of dollars. You think it’s a crime for an athlete hustling to find money, so that their poor mom can stay in a hotel or catch a bus to come to a game to watch him play. Screw you and the ncaa and your high morality shite. We don’t need your pity nor your stupidity. You are totally clueless and couldn’t give two shits about those athletes as long as they could entertain you like pets.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:22 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
It sounds like you were a player for Pell and/or Hall. You would know better than us the exact details of what was going on. It also sounds like you can’t be objective about it.
Like someone else mentioned, the “I knew it was wrong but other people were doing it too” defense usually doesn’t work
Like someone else mentioned, the “I knew it was wrong but other people were doing it too” defense usually doesn’t work
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:51 pm to captdalton
quote:Yes, I played for Pell and Hall. I’m very objective. Rules were broken BUT when the rules are not very reasonable or rational, it’s dishonest to expect young men to follow them and it’s hypocritical to know the issues, not address them but continue to profit billions of dollars. I have friends that played at every other SEC school and others. We all played under the same restraints. Would you ever sell your tickets? Think about that for a minute. Wouldn’t you want to give those tickets to your family to watch you play? The sheer reality that hundreds of athletes all over the country had to do that points to a bigger problem. And that was not even a big issue.
It sounds like you were a player for Pell and/or Hall. You would know better than us the exact details of what was going on. It also sounds like you can’t be objective about it. Like someone else mentioned, the “I knew it was wrong but other people were doing it too” defense usually doesn’t work
Every holiday, we had players that stayed in the dorm. They could not afford to go home nor could their parents afford to visit them. Do you know how dehumanizing it is to not be able to spend holidays with your family? Not be able to leave the dorm because you didn’t have any money. Imagine not being able to buy a pair of pants or a shirt. I know fans don’t give a shite because everyone believes that athletes were magically getting paid. The majority were not. It’s much easier to not know what really was going on or to actually care.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:53 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
If one of your players mother just died and they need $75 for a bus ticket. Would you loan him the money? If he paid it back, should it be considered a violation?
And to add… do you consider that a recruiting violation? He’s already on your team and has been in the program for over 3 years?
And to add… do you consider that a recruiting violation? He’s already on your team and has been in the program for over 3 years?
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 9/4/24 at 4:11 pm to captdalton
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It says Alabama has 30 official SEC titles. Not sure how many were vacated. It looks like Florida lost two, because they show you with 8. Tied with Auburn.
Continue on with your hypocrisy.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 4:13 pm to DawgsLife
That’s fine, as long as you’re consistent. Some UGA posters here aren’t when I bring up all your vacated bball wins.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 5:04 pm to GoGators1995
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Continue on with your hypocrisy
Explain this hypocrisy. I have compared the official number of SEC titles listed for each team. I used and checked a couple of different sources including the official SEC record. They all list the same number I posted. I haven’t gone down rabbit holes trying to claim vacated or ineligible titles or wins for any team. I also compared winning percentages per the NCAA, which deduct vacated wins.. That dinged most if not all teams in the comparison. I’d say that is fair and in no way hypocritical.
You clearly don’t like the numbers I posted. Put I didn’t make them up, they are the officially recognized numbers of the SEC and NCAA. So again, how is that hypocritical?
Posted on 9/4/24 at 5:42 pm to Go Go Gata
Why are Gators fighting so hard for those 3 vacated/ineligible SEC titles? It doesn’t change anything. Even if Florida counts those, they have 11. They jump no one. That still puts them behind Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, and LSU.
They would be 5th out of the original 10 SEC schools still in the conference.
With the addition of Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC, they are 7th out of 16 teams. And that is just the SEC.
That is why I have trouble understanding many Florida fan’s expectations and their idea that coaches will be knocking down the door for the Florida job.
Can you do better than Napier? Absolutely. Can you just hand pick any coach you want? Absolutely not.
And Florida won’t be the only team in the country looking for a new coach at the end of the year. There are only so many good coaches out there. Are there any Florida alum coaching now that are doing a really good job that might want to come home? If so, then you might be able to outkick your coverage. Short of that, it is going to be hard for Florida to nab a proven top 10 coach.
The whole arms race for coaches which leads schools to shell out unGodly multimillion dollar buyouts one after another is all just insanity.
They would be 5th out of the original 10 SEC schools still in the conference.
With the addition of Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC, they are 7th out of 16 teams. And that is just the SEC.
That is why I have trouble understanding many Florida fan’s expectations and their idea that coaches will be knocking down the door for the Florida job.
Can you do better than Napier? Absolutely. Can you just hand pick any coach you want? Absolutely not.
And Florida won’t be the only team in the country looking for a new coach at the end of the year. There are only so many good coaches out there. Are there any Florida alum coaching now that are doing a really good job that might want to come home? If so, then you might be able to outkick your coverage. Short of that, it is going to be hard for Florida to nab a proven top 10 coach.
The whole arms race for coaches which leads schools to shell out unGodly multimillion dollar buyouts one after another is all just insanity.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 6:03 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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Tuition at UF RIGHT NOW, is $6,400 a year. It was $2,300 in 1984. Do the math and players were paid Pennies per hour.
Not when you factor in insurance, tutors, room and board.
I mean, if you asked a slave if they would rather be a slave or play college football and get a free education, food, room, tutors, insurance plus could walk away from it at any time of their choosing...I doubt many would choose slavery. And we didn't even broach the stipends players get.
quote:The same reason some millionaires commit fraud? Because they have an opportunity to get more.
Why do you think MOST players at every D1 school sold their tickets.
quote:Then that is on Florida, is it not? Again, they have an opportunity to go anywhere at any time. Mark Richt wanted t pay his assistants out of his own pocket and NCAA said no.
Do you know why Pell had a slush fund? Because his assistants were underpaid.
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quote:Yeah, well, that is your version. Look. Florida broke the rules and got caught. Fo you to come on here and try to make it like it was all justified and they were playing by the rules is silly.
Because his assistants were underpaid. That fund was a few thousand dollars to help people in need. Not to recruit players. Spying allegations was bullshite and didn’t happen.
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Screw you and the ncaa and your high morality shite. We don’t need your pity nor your stupidity. You are totally clueless and couldn’t give two shits about those athletes as long as they could entertain you like pets.
1. I don't pity Florida and nobody else does. And yes. It's obviously everybody elses fault that Florida cheated and got caught.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 6:03 pm to captdalton
You still count all of Bama’s forfeited and vacated wins but not our vacated SEC title. This isn’t hard.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 6:06 pm to GoGators1995
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That’s fine, as long as you’re consistent. Some UGA posters here aren’t when I bring up all your vacated bball wins.
You mean there are Georgia fans who care about vacated basketball wins?
Hey...like I said....I think Florida does have a good history, and should be considered as such. I have no problem with Florida being considered and excellent football program and academic school. I do think Florida needs to turn things around or the reputation will become tarnished, though.
(I had no idea Georgia had basketball wins vacated.
)Posted on 9/4/24 at 6:13 pm to GoGators1995
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Some UGA posters here aren’t when I bring up all your vacated bball wins.
I had to look them up. Two wins were vacated.
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