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Posted on 11/26/10 at 2:09 am to Woopigsooie20
Some programs have love affairs with the backup quarterback who never got the big break, or the shot at the big time.
Arkansas, as a fan base, has a love affair for the Assistant Coach that never comes back, or that was denied the job by jealous PTB.
Case #1: Jimmy Johnson (Switzer, Frye, and Carroll are all abortive cases that never developed critical mass, though you can still find a few Hog fans who carried their torches)
Case #2: Mike Anderson
Case #3: Gus Malazahn
FWIW, I don't expect either Mike or Gus to go home. The timing is never going to be quite right for Mike, and Gus will have built his career elsewhere by the time the Arkansas job comes open.
Arkansas, as a fan base, has a love affair for the Assistant Coach that never comes back, or that was denied the job by jealous PTB.
Case #1: Jimmy Johnson (Switzer, Frye, and Carroll are all abortive cases that never developed critical mass, though you can still find a few Hog fans who carried their torches)
Case #2: Mike Anderson
Case #3: Gus Malazahn
FWIW, I don't expect either Mike or Gus to go home. The timing is never going to be quite right for Mike, and Gus will have built his career elsewhere by the time the Arkansas job comes open.
Posted on 11/26/10 at 7:21 am to BoardReader
2 MA won't be hired back, i think we hire corliss if he can prove he can coach.
3- malazahn might come back but i'm not sure i want him till he takes his lumps as a head coach
3- malazahn might come back but i'm not sure i want him till he takes his lumps as a head coach
Posted on 11/26/10 at 8:17 am to Woopigsooie20
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Shouldn't you be telling everyone Newton will be suspended right before the game tomorrow?
We won the conference in 2000 also.
Miss St hasn't been to the Sweet 16 since 96 and you think you're doing good.
1. I misjudged Aubarn's administration...they are definitely "All In"
2. You won the Conference Tourney in 2000- that's not winning the conference.
3. I personally think State underachieves constantly and we can hire a better coach than Stansbury- but we have had more success than you guys the last 15 years- that can't be debated
Posted on 11/26/10 at 8:20 am to CoonassBulldog
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but we have had more success than you guys the last 15 years
What do you have to show for it?
Posted on 11/26/10 at 8:46 am to Slut Hog
your avatar creeps me out
We were talking about the UPig program. Stop trying to deflect. Your program the last 14-15 has been pedestrian at best...You guys really sound like Mississippi football 15 years after Integration took place. There are more things wrong with the program than just coaching
We were talking about the UPig program. Stop trying to deflect. Your program the last 14-15 has been pedestrian at best...You guys really sound like Mississippi football 15 years after Integration took place. There are more things wrong with the program than just coaching
Posted on 11/26/10 at 8:48 am to CoonassBulldog
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There are more things wrong with the program than just coaching
Well, we signed the #3 recruiting class in the country, so I'm gonna go ahead and sort of disagree with you there.
Posted on 11/26/10 at 9:48 am to Slut Hog
Slut, your avatar is a bit creepy. 
Posted on 11/26/10 at 10:09 am to CoonassBulldog
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We were talking about the UPig program. Stop trying to deflect. Your program the last 14-15 has been pedestrian at best...You guys really sound like Mississippi football 15 years after Integration took place. There are more things wrong with the program than just coaching
Let me try to educate you on our program, where we've been and detail the issues that had plagued the program.
The problems started when Nolan decided to retire while still coaching. His teams started to perform poorly and he one day he snapped and told the administration they could fire him, and they obliged him.
Now going off on rants against the administration and fans was nothing new for Nolan, but when he was doing a poor job of coaching it was time to let him go.
A lawsuit ensued where Nolan claimed he was fired for discrimination. Nolan's attorney proved JFB had some racial prejudices or mannerisms but (and this is the key to the trial that very few lay persons understand) Nolan failed to prove he was fired for his race. Nolan knew this going into the trial but ensued this course of action anyway because of his blind hate and desire to attack JFB, and IMO tear down the program and school.
At this point Arkansas had to hire a new coach. Instead of going for the obvious hire in Bill Self who was at Illinois, Arkansas descriminated against Self and hired Stan Heath largely because he was a young coach with some (very little) recent success at a small school (he was only there 1 year) and he was black.
Turns our Heath is not that good of a coach and wasn't much better at discipline and graduation than Nolan (Nolan had less than 30% of his players graduate) but wasn't that good of a coach. So the admin fired Heath, and between JFB and Chancellor White (I still insist he dabbled with this hire) they struck out many times with good coaches (Dana Altman anyone?) and finally drug Pelphrey out South Alabama b/c the program was in that poor of shape with eligibility and the lawsuit.
Fast forward to today, the eligibility issues are largely cleaned up, Nolan's lawsuit was won by the University (rightly so) and Nolan brought back into the fold. The program is on much more solid ground and is now ripe for the right coach to take the reins.
Posted on 11/26/10 at 10:12 am to Slut Hog
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Well, we signed the #3 recruiting class in the country, so I'm gonna go ahead and sort of disagree with you there
State is going to have a top class as well...Personally, I like Pelphrey and think he does a good job. I think having some stability and sticking with him another 3 years will be the best thing for your program.
We'll see how that class works out for you guys- it's been awhile since you made some noise
Posted on 11/26/10 at 10:18 am to CoonassBulldog
Can't disagree Coon.
Before he signed this class I was ready for him to go. Ross and Mickleson would have signed with us anyway. Madden, B.J. Young and Abron might not have.
I'll give him this year and next to make progress but if that doesn't include an NCAA tourney win I'm ready for him to hit the road.
Before he signed this class I was ready for him to go. Ross and Mickleson would have signed with us anyway. Madden, B.J. Young and Abron might not have.
I'll give him this year and next to make progress but if that doesn't include an NCAA tourney win I'm ready for him to hit the road.
Posted on 11/26/10 at 10:48 am to CoonassBulldog
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There are more things wrong with the program than just coaching
What? Name one. Every single aspect of Arkansas' basketball program, tradition, history is better than Miss State. How many NCAA tourny appearances do you guys have? The ONLY thing wrong at Arkansas is the coach. Bring in a great coach, and Arkansas will take off again.
Posted on 11/26/10 at 11:38 am to The Sultan of Swine
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What? Name one. Every single aspect of Arkansas' basketball program, tradition, history is better than Miss State. How many NCAA tourny appearances do you guys have? The ONLY thing wrong at Arkansas is the coach. Bring in a great coach, and Arkansas will take off again
and this statement is why I compare you guys to Mississippi football...you guys have been average for 15 years..that means that this years recruits were 3 years old since your program has been good...Since you guys joined the SEC, your program has plummeted- once you lost Corliss, Thurman, and crew- it's been downhill
You guys do have a NC and some outstanding history- but nothing in quite awhile...
recent history > what happened in the early 1990's
Since 1995:
Final Fours- State 1, UPig 1
NCAA appearances- UPig 9 State 8
Conference titles- State 1 Upig 0
SEC West titles- State 6 UPig 0
SEC Tourney titles- State 3, UPig 1
reality is tough to deal with- especially when you used to be real good- ask Notre Dame
Posted on 11/26/10 at 1:43 pm to SLC
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SLC
I still don't get the whole "Nolan decided to retire while he was still coaching" line. Jim Boeheim had a bunch of first and second round exits until his team made a big run with Carmelo Anthony. No one accuses him of "quitting" while coaching.
The NCAA fricking around and fricking us over with Sunday Adebayo screwed up that recruiting class with Bradley, Reid, Pate, and Hood. This ended up costing us another shot at a good run.
Additionally, the NCAA reducing the scholarship limit from fifteen to twelve made it tough as frick to get as much depth as required to run Nolan's system, so Nolan had to adjust.
The last three years were bad admittedly, and our lack of ability to get a semi-quality big-man who could rebound. He had one bad season though that was 14-15 when he got fired.
Additionally, considering how much shite the PTB shielded Houston Nutt from and how quick they pulled the trigger on Nolan, I guarantee you Nolan got screwed.
Posted on 11/26/10 at 2:03 pm to huntindoc
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Before he signed this class I was ready for him to go. Ross and Mickleson would have signed with us anyway. Madden, B.J. Young and Abron might not have.
You are correct Ross and Mickleson would have signed regardless of who the coach was.
Madden was the same, however one of Pel's assistants almost caused Madden to go elsewhere.
B.J. Young's family is originally from Little Rock and he grew up a Razorback fan. Arkansas was his "dream" offer.
Abron is the only one who may not have come regardless, just so happens he is the least heralded recruit of the class. When combined with Pel's previous classes, I'm still not sold that he is that great of a recruiter. He still hasn't proven to be any better of a coach than Heath and has proven to be worse in dealing with players.
This post was edited on 11/26/10 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 11/26/10 at 7:52 pm to DaleDenton
Well, after watching the first half I must admit I was wrong about Pel, it is obvious he is sandbagging waiting to unleash the offense on better opponents.
Posted on 11/26/10 at 8:52 pm to DaleDenton
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Well, after watching the first half I must admit I was wrong about Pel, it is obvious he is sandbagging waiting to unleash the offense on better opponents.
There are less than 50 with about a minute left.
We're losing to UAB.
Posted on 11/26/10 at 9:01 pm to SLC
Hey, going to overtime!
Posted on 11/26/10 at 9:05 pm to CoonassBulldog
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There are more things wrong with the program than just coaching
Im sure you have the scoop on that also.
Posted on 11/26/10 at 9:09 pm to Woopigsooie20
Delvon Johnson has played decently tonight.
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