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re: Finebaum Tweet: "Newton Could Be Cleared By End of Week"
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:36 am to Dandy Lion
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:36 am to Dandy Lion
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“If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive, directly or indirectly, any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference (except such aid or assistance as such student-athlete may receive from those persons on whom the student is naturally or legally dependent for support), such student- athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career.”
The very act of Cecil shoppin Cam means he "agreed to receive benefits" for his son's services. Whether anybody "paid those benefits" or not does not matter. Cecil set the price on Cam's head and therefore, he agreed to receive the cash if someone was willing to pay. INELIBIGLE.
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Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:38 am to STLSU
quote:Link? Some sort of clarification?
STLSU
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:39 am to Dandy Lion
I am not sure asking necessarily = receiving or agreeing to receive. I don't think it is as open and shut as all the fans on the Rant want to believe. AU is consulting its compliance department, which I understand is run by a former NCAA employee. They have also hired Gene Marsh, an attorney who has represented many schools (including Bama and Michigan) before the NCAA on these matters and who was formerly on the NCAA committe on infractions. If these people are telling AU to play Cam, then there must be more to it than what rival fans believe and want to happen. I am not saying AU wins their argument in the end, just that it is not as open and shut as everyone on here believes it to be.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:39 am to RT1941
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The very act of Cecil shoppin Cam means he "agreed to receive benefits" for his son's services. Whether anybody "paid those benefits" or not does not matter. Cecil set the price on Cam's head and therefore, he agreed to receive the cash if someone was willing to pay. INELIBIGLE.
Right now you have Kenny Rogers saying he did that, and Cecil Newton saying he didn't. Unless a tape shows up with Cecil on it, it's his word against his word.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:39 am to molsusports
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no, why do you say that?
If the NCAA fails to rule Cam ineligible it would be open season for any father, uncle, grandmomma or whoever to ask for money and just say the kid didn't know about it
This would render NCAA rules on compensation nearly irrelevant
Nobody konws what happens on the recruiting trail. The only reason this every came to light was because MSU reported the conversations to the SEC, Had MSU said nothing, this soap opera would have never taken place.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:40 am to parkjas2001
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Nobody konws what happens on the recruiting trail.
The Red Elephant Club laughs at you
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:41 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
quote:Cecil Newton was reported as saying he solicited money from MSU....
Right now you have Kenny Rogers saying he did that, and Cecil Newton saying he didn't. Unless a tape shows up with Cecil on it, it's his word against his word.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:41 am to WDE24
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They have also hired Gene Marsh, an attorney who has represented many schools
This is not correct. Gene Marsh works for the Law Offices who Auburn has used for over a decade and Marsh is not even involved with anything going on concerning Cam.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:41 am to I Love Bama
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:41 am to RT1941
quote:I think one could correctly argue that an agreement requires at least two parties to reach an understanding or a meeting of the minds. Willingness to take money and solicitation of money do not = agreement. Again, not arguing that Cam is eligible, just that it is not clear cut that he is ineligible at this time.
The very act of Cecil shoppin Cam means he "agreed to receive benefits" for his son's services. Whether anybody "paid those benefits" or not does not matter. Cecil set the price on Cam's head and therefore, he agreed to receive the cash if someone was willing to pay. INELIBIGLE.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:41 am to RT1941
quote:depends on your interpretation of receives or agrees to receive. "receives" is pretty cut and dried, meaning that he actually received extra benefits. "agrees to receive" is more sketchy.
The very act of Cecil shoppin Cam means he "agreed to receive benefits" for his son's services. Whether anybody "paid those benefits" or not does not matter. Cecil set the price on Cam's head and therefore, he agreed to receive the cash if someone was willing to pay. INELIBIGLE.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:42 am to Hog Springs
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Cecil Newton was reported as saying he solicited money from MSU....
Cecil Newton is not on the record as admitting to shite. You're using a Mark Winnie article that says he has a source who Cecil Newton admitted to. He didn't admit anything to Mark Winnie. ESPN didn't even deem this article worthy enough to run with.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:43 am to parkjas2001
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Nobody konws what happens on the recruiting trail. The only reason this every came to light was because MSU reported the conversations to the SEC, Had MSU said nothing, this soap opera would have never taken place.
And the SEC/Slive did nothing about MSU's reports - so MSU took it to the TOP - NCAA and offered even more evidence of wrong doing. Slive is a shady little bastard too, he never wanted this shite to hit the fan. Oh well!
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:43 am to Hog Springs
Honestly, I just can't see them ruling him eligible this early.
I think it's better for Auburn fans if it drags out. No way has the NCAA collected enough information to rule him eligible at this point.
However, I could see them ruling him ineligible if there is proper evidence proving him to be ineligible.
I think it's better for Auburn fans if it drags out. No way has the NCAA collected enough information to rule him eligible at this point.
However, I could see them ruling him ineligible if there is proper evidence proving him to be ineligible.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:43 am to Hog Springs
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Cecil Newton was reported as saying he solicited money from MSU....
"Allegedly." Look it up.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:44 am to WDE24
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I think one could correctly argue that an agreement requires at least two parties to reach an understanding or a meeting of the minds. Willingness to take money and solicitation of money do not = agreement. Again, not arguing that Cam is eligible, just that it is not clear cut that he is ineligible at this time.
wow
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:44 am to Kingpin
Sorry, I hadn't seen the recent reports that they have not hired him directly. However, if anyone believes that the attorneys at Lightfoot have not discussed this with Gene (who is of counsel at Lightfoot), they are fooling themselves.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:47 am to jjbodean1970
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The very act of Cecil shoppin Cam means he "agreed to receive benefits" for his son's services. Whether anybody "paid those benefits" or not does not matter. Cecil set the price on Cam's head and therefore, he agreed to receive the cash if someone was willing to pay. INELIBIGLE.
depends on your interpretation of receives or agrees to receive. "receives" is pretty cut and dried, meaning that he actually received extra benefits. "agrees to receive" is more sketchy.
I'm sure the Legal Eagles will spin this anyway they want. But if Cecil set the price tag for Cam - I think would a have taken the cash from whoever paid.
If I set the price on my truck at $20,000 - then I agree to accept $20,000 for it regardless if anybody will pay it or not.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 10:48 am to Hog Springs
quote:not exactly, heres the quote from the article:
Cecil Newton was reported as saying he solicited money from MSU....
"A source close to the situation exclusively told Channel 2 Action News investigative reporter Mark Winne that the player's father, Cecil Newton, has admitted having conversations with an ex-Mississippi State University player about the possibility of under-the-table money if Cam Newton signed to play football at Mississippi State, though he's steadfastly maintained that no money ever changed hands and said no official at Mississippi State ever made such an offer."
its been rumored that rogers was actually the one that brought the money into the conversation, but theres nothing i can find to substantiate that rumor. as it is, what i quoted is still from an "unnamed source" whose credibility is unknown.
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