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re: Final approval of NCAA Lawsuit delayed.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:52 pm to 3down10
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:52 pm to 3down10
Kavanaugh’s opinion in which he said he’d be willing to go even farther in the athletes’ favor is sitting there in black and white, incontrovertible.
The courts are treating this as a business, which it is, not as some idealized amateur sport that old fart fans (I am in my late 60s so I can say that) want it to be. It has zilch to do with social justice.
And your posts are an example of why pure libertarianism is a pestilence that no one takes seriously.
Of course people can be compelled to do that which they don’t want to do or prevented from doing that which they want to do with their organizations or businesses. It’s called protecting people’s societal interests and ensuring fairness and that laws are followed, although you will argue it’s trying to ensure equality of outcomes.
Liberals and conservatives both believe “freedom” can be constrained like that. Their only difference is to what degree.
As long as federal antitrust law is in place, and the NCAA has no exemption from that law, they can’t conduct business like they did before. What the fans think is irrelevant.
Fix the portal where it’s not annual free agency, through a negotiated agreement with the athletes, and this stuff will fall into equilibrium and we can move forward.
The courts are treating this as a business, which it is, not as some idealized amateur sport that old fart fans (I am in my late 60s so I can say that) want it to be. It has zilch to do with social justice.
And your posts are an example of why pure libertarianism is a pestilence that no one takes seriously.
Of course people can be compelled to do that which they don’t want to do or prevented from doing that which they want to do with their organizations or businesses. It’s called protecting people’s societal interests and ensuring fairness and that laws are followed, although you will argue it’s trying to ensure equality of outcomes.
Liberals and conservatives both believe “freedom” can be constrained like that. Their only difference is to what degree.
As long as federal antitrust law is in place, and the NCAA has no exemption from that law, they can’t conduct business like they did before. What the fans think is irrelevant.
Fix the portal where it’s not annual free agency, through a negotiated agreement with the athletes, and this stuff will fall into equilibrium and we can move forward.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 2:05 pm
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Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:07 pm to InkStainedWretch
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Kavanaugh’s opinion in which he said he’d be willing to go even farther in the athletes’ favor is sitting there in black and white, incontrovertible.
This is just an appeal to authority. Logical fallacy #1.
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The courts are treating this as a business, which it is, not as some idealized amateur sport that old fart fans (I am in my late 60s so I can say that) want it to be. It has zilch to do with social justice.
A private business has every right to establish their own standards. Why does them being a business suddenly give you the right to take away theirs?
Are you telling me I'm not free to sign a contract with a business in which I'm not allowed to take NIL deals?
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And your posts are an example of why pure libertarianism is a pestilence that no one takes seriously.
I'm talking about the philosophy of liberty, and for what reasons 1 person has a right to tell another person what they can and can not do. Not a political party.
Guilt by association - Logical fallacy #2.
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Of course people can be compelled to do that which they don’t want to do or prevented from doing that which they want to do with their organizations or businesses. It’s called civilization.
The idea that the only way civilization can exist is among a population that doesn't have liberty is false dichotomy. Logical fallacy #3.
This is highlighted by the fact that over the course of 100 years the NCAA was able to build some of the most popular sports in the country. How did they ever do it in a voluntary system without government regulation?
I guess for you, it's a miracle.
As always, those who want to take away the freedoms of others do so out of fear of what they might do with those freedoms. OMG, what if they don't do the things I want them to do?
The civilization you want is hell.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:12 pm to InkStainedWretch
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Liberals and conservatives both believe “freedom” can be constrained like that. Their only difference is to what degree.
Yeah, the thing they both agree on is they know what's best for you and they are willing to kill you if you don't do what they say.
Meanwhile, I think you know what's best for you and you should be able to make those decisions for yourself.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:21 pm to InkStainedWretch
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As long as federal antitrust law is in place, and the NCAA has no exemption from that law, they can’t conduct business like they did before. What the fans think is irrelevant.
The NCAA isn't doing anything that violates anti-trust laws. They aren't competitors with themselves, and the NCAA hasn't done anything to prevent competition or to collude with their competitors.
Who are they selling products too in order to price fix? In what way are they being forced into this voluntary organization?
It's all ridiculous. It's claiming that people aren't allowed to form organizations and agree to a set of rules in order to create a product/service whatever.
Competitors to the NCAA have formed, they can't compete because they can only offer a fraction of the value the NCAA does. They get like 50k a year, no real medical care, no training etc.
So where is the anti trust violation?
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Fix the portal where it’s not annual free agency, through a negotiated agreement with the athletes, and this stuff will fall into equilibrium and we can move forward.
Impossible, the NCAA no longer has the power to enforce anything. They've been completely ripped of their rights. Doing so would now fall under the same loose and bullshite reading of "anti-trust" laws being applied in your argument because doing so is a somehow an agreement among competitors, even though they aren't competitors.
Meanwhile, I'm sure Amazon, Google or some other mega company is working hard buying enough politicians and judges to buy up their competitors. Because you know, that's civilization man. Maybe they just need another crisis to where somehow small shops are affected, but the big places aren't. You know, because people shouldn't have liberty to decide for themselves, that's not civilization.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:31 pm to 3down10
I’m a fan of college football but I am not enough of a fan of ANYTHING on this planet to get so worked up and venture into “What’s the Frequency, Kenneth” territory over it.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:37 pm to InkStainedWretch
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I’m a fan of college football but I am not enough of a fan of ANYTHING on this planet to get so worked up and venture into “What’s the Frequency, Kenneth” territory over it.
All you did was post logical fallacies, so saying nothing would actually be an improvement.
Sorry you struggle with real thought.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:41 pm to 3down10
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3down10
Thank you. It's really not this difficult to comprehend.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:43 pm to 3down10
And all you are doing is bloviating and talking to hear yourself talk.
I think libertarianism … the basic philosophy itself, not the political party … is not just a pestilence, it’s s**t. So is the notion of unbridled freedom to the extent you advocate.
We are at polar opposites and will remain so, and I choose not to engage with you anymore. We’re done here.
I think libertarianism … the basic philosophy itself, not the political party … is not just a pestilence, it’s s**t. So is the notion of unbridled freedom to the extent you advocate.
We are at polar opposites and will remain so, and I choose not to engage with you anymore. We’re done here.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:44 pm to InkStainedWretch
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What the fans think is irrelevant.
We know this.
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As long as federal antitrust law is in place, and the NCAA has no exemption from that law, they can’t conduct business like they did before.
Yes. Normal people want the NCAA to receive the same anti-trust exemption that major sports leagues do in hopes that this 120 year-old system is still salvageable.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:59 pm to InkStainedWretch
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Fix the portal where it’s not annual free agency, through a negotiated agreement with the athletes, and this stuff will fall into equilibrium and we can move forward.
This ^^^^
The real problem is the portal, not necessarily the NIL, though the NIL has brought on more financial challenges for universities. But fix the portal and quit allowing a swinging door, and a lot of CFB's current issues will fix themselves. But there would have to be an agreement between the athletes and the NCAA. Currently, the courts will not allow the NCAA to do much with limiting transfers.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:59 pm to InkStainedWretch
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And all you are doing is bloviating and talking to hear yourself talk.
I think libertarianism … the basic philosophy itself, not the political party … is not just a pestilence, it’s s**t. So is the notion of unbridled freedom to the extent you advocate.
We are at polar opposites and will remain so, and I choose not to engage with you anymore. We’re done here.
And yet you can't tell me why you think you have the right to force other people to do things against their will.
In fact, you can't make a single argument to support your position. You're just an NPC. Like every non thinking cult member that ever lived, all you know how to do is cite the propaganda you believe and then when that doesn't work you denounce the non-believer and run away.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 3:02 pm to 3down10
Again only a few schools make lots of money, The rules were fine the way they were.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 3:13 pm to TheFourHorsemen
So 6 wacko liberals voted down.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 3:39 pm to TriStateAreaFootball
MLB is the only professional sports league that has such an exemption, it was granted more than 100 years ago, and there’s no way in hell such an exemption would be granted today.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 3:45 pm to 3down10
OK I will return to answer your question, although it’s idiotic on my part because you just want to bloviate. (I understand now why you were kicked off the Alabama board.)
Human beings have inherently base, depraved, evil, sinful natures concerned solely with personal self interest and are not capable of handling unrestricted personal freedom. So society has created admittedly imperfect ways to keep them in line.
Human beings have inherently base, depraved, evil, sinful natures concerned solely with personal self interest and are not capable of handling unrestricted personal freedom. So society has created admittedly imperfect ways to keep them in line.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 4:18 pm to InkStainedWretch
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OK I will return to answer your question, although it’s idiotic on my part because you just want to bloviate. (I understand now why you were kicked off the Alabama board.)
I got kicked off the Alabama board because I kept pointing out why Crimson Bozo was a lying piece of shite. It was supported by stupid people because they didn't like being told the truth that Golding wouldn't be fired in 2019 and why.
But yes, it must be whatever makes you happiest.
I will not shrink down for your comfort.
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Human beings have inherently base, depraved, evil, sinful natures concerned solely with personal self interest and are not capable of handling unrestricted personal freedom. So society has created admittedly imperfect ways to keep them in line.
That's why we have a justice system. Who is the victim of the NCAA? Nobody, it's completely voluntary.
The only entity that has had it's rights violated is the NCAA. Which you feel is justified because they didn't use their freedom in the way you think they should.
Weird how those people are sinful with only personal self interests and are incapable of handling personal freedom, but people such as yourself are apparently so great you can dictate to others what they can do with their freedom.
Also weird how you somehow believe the best people to decide these things are the people who actually seek power in order to carry out those agendas. Instead, you blame the people who just want to be left alone.
You are the evil.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 6:56 pm to 3down10
I will join with Inkstainedwretch just to make sure you know that several people see your idiotic tirades filled with outright untruthful statements that you believe you justify through repitition.
You are wrong.
The NCAA is not a “voluntary organization”, their football programs are the only realistic path to wealth in the NFL for players (fyi, that is a monopoly). Every realistic and sane person knows this, except you in your fantasy world. Additionally they make millions and billions of dollars off the business of college football, but have only given the college players a pittance of their profits up until now. It is not just me and inkstained that see your 1950’s era view of college football is wrong,….our government systems, college football organizations, sports media, etc,…have all generally agreed the old system was flawed to the point radical changes were required.
Additionally, your desire to paint people as “evil” because they do not agree with your world view says more about you than anything else. If these tirades truly indicate your level of anger then perhaps you should get some professional help, …..
You are wrong.
The NCAA is not a “voluntary organization”, their football programs are the only realistic path to wealth in the NFL for players (fyi, that is a monopoly). Every realistic and sane person knows this, except you in your fantasy world. Additionally they make millions and billions of dollars off the business of college football, but have only given the college players a pittance of their profits up until now. It is not just me and inkstained that see your 1950’s era view of college football is wrong,….our government systems, college football organizations, sports media, etc,…have all generally agreed the old system was flawed to the point radical changes were required.
Additionally, your desire to paint people as “evil” because they do not agree with your world view says more about you than anything else. If these tirades truly indicate your level of anger then perhaps you should get some professional help, …..
Posted on 4/24/25 at 7:17 pm to FlyDownTheField83
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The NCAA is not a “voluntary organization”, their football programs are the only realistic path to wealth in the NFL for players (fyi, that is a monopoly).
Your failure to understand what the word voluntary means doesn't make me wrong.
You are only highlighting the high amount of value the NCAA is offering. A person is free to pay for their own training, gym and everything else. But it's a much better deal and opportunity to go to the NCAA.
The NFL doesn't have any interest in doing heavy amounts of training. It's no different than the reason why google doesn't hire people straight out of highschool and then train them etc. A person is expected to get their own education. Yet here for some reason, you blame the NCAA for providing too good of a service.
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Every realistic and sane person knows this, except you in your fantasy world. Additionally they make millions and billions of dollars off the business of college football, but have only given the college players a pittance of their profits up until now. It is not just me and inkstained that see your 1950’s era view of college football is wrong,
You apparently don't understand the difference between revenue and profit. They generate revenue and it's all placed BACK into the programs themselves. At best some sports generate enough revenue at SOME schools that they are able to use that money to pay for other sports.
The millions of dollars you see coaches getting paid is not paid for by the school. I think Saban's salary was like 200k. The numbers you see are paid for by separate organizations, aka boosters/donors.
As Reagan said, the problem with liberals is they know so much that isn't true.
Furthermore, concepts like liberty and freedom aren't dated. It's not "1950's" era, it's basic human rights.
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Additionally, your desire to paint people as “evil” because they do not agree with your world view says more about you than anything else. If these tirades truly indicate your level of anger then perhaps you should get some professional help, …..
If you do not respect the liberty and freedoms of others, that's what you are. Wars have been fought over this.
Among everything else you don't understand, add anger vs conviction to the list.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 8:23 pm to 3down10
Your failure to recognize what everyone else knows makes you, at best, deluded. The NCAA does not provide too good of a service, they colluded with the institutions in order to artificially restrict the player’s earnings. That is a fact, your refusal to acknowledge it makes it no less a fact.
Do you really believe Saban only was guaranteed to make $200k by the U of A ? However they structured his compensation, with booster support , etc…they damn well made sure Saban was getting the same as the top five coaches were being paid, like $10million a year. I do not blame them, Saban was great,…..in the old flawed system.
If you want to describe your fantasy as “conviction” that is your view, deluded and stupid, but you have a right to your opinion. I respect your right to state it (over and over and over, ad nauseum), but the world has moved on.
Ink stained was right, it is a waste of time to argue with you.
Do you really believe Saban only was guaranteed to make $200k by the U of A ? However they structured his compensation, with booster support , etc…they damn well made sure Saban was getting the same as the top five coaches were being paid, like $10million a year. I do not blame them, Saban was great,…..in the old flawed system.
If you want to describe your fantasy as “conviction” that is your view, deluded and stupid, but you have a right to your opinion. I respect your right to state it (over and over and over, ad nauseum), but the world has moved on.
Ink stained was right, it is a waste of time to argue with you.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 9:44 pm to FlyDownTheField83
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Your failure to recognize what everyone else knows makes you, at best, deluded. The NCAA does not provide too good of a service, they colluded with the institutions in order to artificially restrict the player’s earnings. That is a fact, your refusal to acknowledge it makes it no less a fact.
The NCAA apparently provides a good enough service that nobody else could compete against them.
The NCAA lacks the authority to restrict player earnings. They are not the government, they can't prevent anyone from making money. They can only decide the standards they want to apply and prevent them from playing college sports after.
See how that works? Basic freedom. You can at any time decide not to be in the NCAA and go make all the money you want.
These are basic facts you wish to ignore because they don't support your position.
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Do you really believe Saban only was guaranteed to make $200k by the U of A ? However they structured his compensation, with booster support , etc…they damn well made sure Saban was getting the same as the top five coaches were being paid, like $10million a year. I do not blame them, Saban was great,…..in the old flawed system.
I just explained exactly how it works. The school only paid him about $200k, the millions is paid by private boosters through an organization. So for you to claim the NCAA/schools are paying the coaches these huge salaries is blatantly false, they do not. They aren't paid for by the schools anymore than NIL is.
Again, this is a basic fact of how it works that you ignore.
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If you want to describe your fantasy as “conviction” that is your view, deluded and stupid, but you have a right to your opinion. I respect your right to state it (over and over and over, ad nauseum), but the world has moved on.
It's not a fantasy, it's basic civics.
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Ink stained was right, it is a waste of time to argue with you.
100% it is. Because you're going to get your arse handed to you if you don't know what the frick you are talking about. You'll need to be able to provide an argument at a level you are completely incapable of because you don't understand basic concepts. It's a side effect of being indoctrinated rather than educated.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 9:46 pm
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