re: Eric Smith off the team

I have the full low down. Call me later for details. Not for the gumps.

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Police officers witnessed Auburn running back Eric Smith strike Auburn student Decari Jenkins in the back of the head, rendering him unconscious outside of a hotel near campus last week, according to a police document obtained by The Birmingham News on Monday.

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The police report says officers witnessed Smith strike Jenkins, causing Jenkins ``to fall face forward onto the asphalt. Jenkins suffered a cut and severe swelling around his eye and was knocked unconscious.''

Jenkins said in his complaint that he was at a party at the Lexington Hotel and was struck from behind ``and became disoriented.'' He said he went outside and ``was struck again.'' He said he was struck a third time as he moved to his car. Jenkins' complaint does not identify Smith by name.

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I won't link the other article, since you don't feel it's accurate, since it was what was reported as a civil suit was filed, even though every bit of it also complies with the above.

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Smith has missed all three practices since the incident, and coach Gene Chizik said Smith will have ``paid a price'' before he will be allowed to wear an Auburn uniform again.

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Chizik suspended Smith for the season opener against Louisiana Tech.

"I said that if you see Eric Smith back in an Auburn uniform, you'll know that he did the things that we needed him to do to become a better Auburn man," Chizik said before Auburn's second game. "You're going to see him in a uniform this week. He's done what we asked him to do, and we're going to move on."

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That Chiz. He's tough as nails.

And here is Saban after Upshaw beat on a female....

Here is Saban's full statement ...

"This is as fine a young man as we have in the program. He's really a great person, really works hard academically. We couldn't ask anybody to be a better representative of the organization than he is. He really overachieves as a football player, and has done a really good job for us and our organization.

"I think he was put in a little bit of an uncompromising position, and he didn't handle it very well. He obviously made a mistake in how he handled the situation. I think that nobody feels worse about it than he does. We'll obviously handle this internally. I've discussed it with him. He knows what his punishment is. He knows what his penalty is. He knows what he's going to have to do.

"He's never had any other issues or any problems academically, socially or as a football player, so he's not going to be suspended over this. He is on behavioral probation, and he does have things to do internally in the program to learn from the mistake that he made. And hopefully our entire team can learn something from the mistake that he made."

Apparently a player who beats on a female is "as fine a young man as we have in the program." Nice program....

Behavioral probation

The part I didn't post, I'm not sure if it was in the police report. However, the guy who was beaten had his lawyer on a radio program and the host and the lawyer both said that surveillance cameras showed that is what happened. The civil suit hasn't gone to trial yet, so it's not been released to the public just yet. The suit also alleges other Auburn football players took part in attacking another guy before all this occurred.

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The suit also alleges other Auburn football players took part in attacking another guy before all this occurred.

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The suit is wrong. ES was provoked by this guy and the guy got his arse kicked. I could really care less.

Beating on a female is another story.

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police saw the end of a fight where Smith sucker punched him in the back of the head, knocking the guy out

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If you want to call chasing a guy down from 30 feet and sucker punching him, the end to a fight, then ok, yeah.

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The suit is wrong. ES was provoked by this guy and got his arse kicked. I could really care less.

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Right. The oregon player was wrong too, he didn't get kicked from behind either. That poor boy is just misunderstood.

Horrors. She looks unconscious and like she's laying in a pool of blood! Wait....

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The part I didn't post, I'm not sure if it was in the police report. However, the guy who was beaten had his lawyer on a radio program and the host and the lawyer both said that surveillance cameras showed that is what happened. The civil suit hasn't gone to trial yet, so it's not been released to the public just yet. The suit also alleges other Auburn football players took part in attacking another guy before all this occurred.

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You don't seem familiar with how civil suits work. You have to take anything in a Complaint for personal injury with a huge grain of salt.

My point is, why do you feel the need to embellish, when the supportable facts are enough to make your point?

I'm just trying to help you make better arguments. This education has been free. You should take advantage of it.

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On the otherhand, why you're defending in any way how the Eric Smith case and punishment was handled is beyond me.

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Not doing that at all. I don't know enough about the incident or Smith's punishment to say one way or the other. If Smith merely got into and won a bar fight between college kids, the punishment may have been sufficient. If he was as egregious as you want to believe, then it wasn't.

It's not like he was some star player we couldn't do without that got special treatment.

Now it appears he has effed up his second chance. I am not making any apologies for him. I have no doubt he earned his dismissal.

All I have done in this thread is try to find out what he did this time and help you make more effective arguments.