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re: Does the SEC want the Sooners?
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:04 pm to KaiserSoze99
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:04 pm to KaiserSoze99
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Oklahoma brings no TVs to the table.
What are you talking about? They have plenty of TVs in Oklahoma. They're just all black-and-white TVs. Well, the super-rich Oklahomans have sepia-tinted ones to remind them of their Dust Bowl legacy, but those are the rare exceptions.
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Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:32 pm to OU_Fan
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OU is an elite program
OU was an elite program.
Now they're an aging has-been in a worthless conference living off their past glories like Nebraska.
You were the ones who wanted to marry Texas. Now you get to live with it.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:47 pm to OU_Fan
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I think history and presitge [sic] would trump this argument of College Station, the St. Louis TV market,
You would think so because it was that way for a long time. But when you actually break it down by number of average viewers, last season both Texas A&M (2.56 mil) and Mizzou (2.28 mil) had more viewers than Oklahoma (2.17 mil):
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Turns out history and old accomplishments aren't appreciated like they used to be I guess. Makes this sport a treadmill.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 11:10 pm to OU_Fan
"Not an SEC team" - 41
"Big 12 Co champion" - 13
"Big 12 Co champion" - 13
Posted on 6/25/15 at 11:21 pm to RocketBallz
I do. Bama vs Oklahoma every year would instantly be one of the games I look forward to the most.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 11:28 pm to RocketBallz
Those 5 TV sets would be huge
Posted on 6/26/15 at 5:28 am to OU_Fan
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I think history and presitge would trump this argument of College Station, the St. Louis TV market, the Carolina's, or the Virginia schools drawing more ratings than a OU-LSU type game, I'm sorry. Just my opinion.
I am going to say this in the nicest way possible and you might want to take it back to your pals on LT's. You guys have been stuck on Utx so long your arrogance has grow near the size of theirs. Instead of opening your mind to what is being said, you keep telling folks how great you are and how everybody should love you unconditionally. Look in the mirror and who else has this same attitude? Don't be surprised if you see the reflection of a nutless cow looking back.
In june 2010 when Nebraska left it should have been a wakeup call. The day Nebraska announced was the day Boren announces Louisville has been set to replace them. Boren had probably already seen Louisville and all that was happening on their campus and knew they were the program under the radar but built for the future. When Colorado leaves Boren announces West Virginia is being added and the B12 still has their CCG intact. Sure these schools may not equal the schools that left but at least it looks like you are cementing your future,
Instead Utx gives the marching orders and a year or 2 later the nutless cow gives the B12 TCU and WVU (and TAMU and MU walk out the door). Fast forward to now and you are coming to an SEC board telling folks with all kinds of sports history how good you are in football since the 40's (yet UK beat you in the 50's) and how that is supposed to matter now. Here is a little checklist for how to view things in the future.
#1 Don't dismiss any school if you have not been on their campus and interacted with their people. The Cards would have been #3 in the B12 with all kinds of new stuff yet most folks on your boards think they were beneath them. You would have know this if you had actually listened to others who knew instead of thinking you know it all
#2 Humble is a good way to go. When Utx formed the LHN the smart move would have been to form a conference network with OU leading the charge. Not only would you have cemented 8 other schools in your camp, but you would have taken the B12 leadership and moved it from austin to Norman. Instead you are becoming "Charlie" in the old commercials.
#3 Live year round content is the future so you must adapt or die. Sure football is important, but that is only 3 months of content. Same is true with one trick ponies like the LHN. Once football season is over you have no value if you play this game. SEC may have football in the fall, but the SECN has basketball in the winter, and baseball in the spring. In addition you have volleyball, gymnastics, w basketball, and softball to fill in the programming gaps. OU has good secondary sports but if you stay with the football only, 1 team 1 channel mantra you will be left in the dust come 2026.
#4 When you are a guest, act like one. This is the SEC and we are some badass sports m*th*rf*ck*rs. Telling us how good you are may be the B1G mantra but that is not how we roll down here. We may fight with each other but by and large we are a pretty friendly lot. View us for what we have accomplished and we will view you for your accomplishments. That is the way guests, and eventual friends deal with each other.
As for history and prestige, the SEC has great teams in the barn but they are also pretty good at taking the lemons and making lemonade. Knocking College Station, Columbia, or our old SIAA friends in the east is not going to make you friends here.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 6:04 am to RocketBallz
frick no.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 10:27 am to TbirdSpur2010
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no.
Seem to have toned it down in the end.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 10:31 am to Cheese Grits
I think that everyone can agree, that UVA is the jewel to the B1G. North Carolina/Duke is another big fish. Both the B1G and the SEC would likely take those teams in a heartbeat. Problem is, the ACC is likely not going anywhere.
There are so many barriers. ESPN has a vested interest in making sure that the SEC and ACC are alive and thriving simultaneously. GOR, the whole story. The B1G/Fox, doesn't have the ESPN problem with the ACC. They can continue to lure those squads because they have no worries if the ACC survives or not.
The ACC survival depends upon UVA, UNC, and Florida State. It might be able to survive if 1 leaves, but not 2.
The more likely of scenarios, is the Big 12 implosion/raids. Again, not saying that these schools are more valuable, just that they are more likely to move conferences. If 1 or two teams start to move, I think the entire conference collapses.
Let's talk about the major and minor players.
MAJOR:
Texas: Everyone knows the story. They could be a legit option for all 4 remaining conferences, with a set up like ND possible, or just strait independent. We all know about their baggage, but everyone would take them with a few concessions on the Horns part. IMO, the PAC is the most likely, as there are no more big fish for the PAC to snag, and if everyone is going to 16, they need to stay viable. SEC and ACC are next. SEC is obvious, and ACC could see a ND set up.
Oklahoma: Not as tied to Texas as everyone thinks. Definitely some baggage, but more leeway with the Sooners. Could become an AAU school (for B1G). I see SEC as option 1, PAC as option 2. B1G is a 3rd option, but I don't see it happening without kansas or someone else first.
kansas: Not because they have a lot of options, but because they could be the first domino. B1G is a clear option, while ACC also might be a possibility. Have AAU, and I'm not sure they are as tied to KState as other baggage schools.
Minor:
Iowa State: No one knows what to do with these guys. I'm not sure the B1G wants them, and I'm not sure where else they would go. A minor player in the fact that they could take up a valuable spot from another baggage school.
TTech/Baylor/TCU: Probably a PAC with the Horns or bust. Texas politics....Go.
Missouri/Vandy: Mostly Missouri here. Despite perceived happiness in SEC, the no buyout makes them a potential target. I have seen the idea floated that the B1G would poach these 2 schools from the SEC. If the B1G can re-up their TV contract and $, they become a viable option for both these schools.
UConn: Could be headed to B1G or ACC. A player for sure.
Conference Round Up
Pac: I really don't know where else they can go besides Texas/Oklahoma if expanding becomes necessary. Low on options.
ACC: Their best strategy, suck up to ESPN. They are their lifeline/lifeblood. Would be special if they could land Texas in ND-style deal. Uconn and kansas are also options for a 16th school. ESPN won't let the conference fold. Even if that means limiting the SEC footprint. The ACCN is worth more than 2 states, that is just the truth. Not to mention, taking VTech/NCState would allow the B1G to snag UVA/UNC in a heartbeat...definitely a net loss.
SEC: plenty of options. Assuming all ACC schools are out. Oklahoma schools, Texas schools. I've seen kansas thrown out there (I REALLY doubt that). Not as many options as we think, especially if the ACC stays intact.
B1G: Options on options. Assuming ACC is out. Could swoop on SEC (Missouri/Vandy), Iowa State, kansas (maybe both), Oklahoma, Texas, Uconn. Have said they might go to 20...so who knows?
There are so many barriers. ESPN has a vested interest in making sure that the SEC and ACC are alive and thriving simultaneously. GOR, the whole story. The B1G/Fox, doesn't have the ESPN problem with the ACC. They can continue to lure those squads because they have no worries if the ACC survives or not.
The ACC survival depends upon UVA, UNC, and Florida State. It might be able to survive if 1 leaves, but not 2.
The more likely of scenarios, is the Big 12 implosion/raids. Again, not saying that these schools are more valuable, just that they are more likely to move conferences. If 1 or two teams start to move, I think the entire conference collapses.
Let's talk about the major and minor players.
MAJOR:
Texas: Everyone knows the story. They could be a legit option for all 4 remaining conferences, with a set up like ND possible, or just strait independent. We all know about their baggage, but everyone would take them with a few concessions on the Horns part. IMO, the PAC is the most likely, as there are no more big fish for the PAC to snag, and if everyone is going to 16, they need to stay viable. SEC and ACC are next. SEC is obvious, and ACC could see a ND set up.
Oklahoma: Not as tied to Texas as everyone thinks. Definitely some baggage, but more leeway with the Sooners. Could become an AAU school (for B1G). I see SEC as option 1, PAC as option 2. B1G is a 3rd option, but I don't see it happening without kansas or someone else first.
kansas: Not because they have a lot of options, but because they could be the first domino. B1G is a clear option, while ACC also might be a possibility. Have AAU, and I'm not sure they are as tied to KState as other baggage schools.
Minor:
Iowa State: No one knows what to do with these guys. I'm not sure the B1G wants them, and I'm not sure where else they would go. A minor player in the fact that they could take up a valuable spot from another baggage school.
TTech/Baylor/TCU: Probably a PAC with the Horns or bust. Texas politics....Go.
Missouri/Vandy: Mostly Missouri here. Despite perceived happiness in SEC, the no buyout makes them a potential target. I have seen the idea floated that the B1G would poach these 2 schools from the SEC. If the B1G can re-up their TV contract and $, they become a viable option for both these schools.
UConn: Could be headed to B1G or ACC. A player for sure.
Conference Round Up
Pac: I really don't know where else they can go besides Texas/Oklahoma if expanding becomes necessary. Low on options.
ACC: Their best strategy, suck up to ESPN. They are their lifeline/lifeblood. Would be special if they could land Texas in ND-style deal. Uconn and kansas are also options for a 16th school. ESPN won't let the conference fold. Even if that means limiting the SEC footprint. The ACCN is worth more than 2 states, that is just the truth. Not to mention, taking VTech/NCState would allow the B1G to snag UVA/UNC in a heartbeat...definitely a net loss.
SEC: plenty of options. Assuming all ACC schools are out. Oklahoma schools, Texas schools. I've seen kansas thrown out there (I REALLY doubt that). Not as many options as we think, especially if the ACC stays intact.
B1G: Options on options. Assuming ACC is out. Could swoop on SEC (Missouri/Vandy), Iowa State, kansas (maybe both), Oklahoma, Texas, Uconn. Have said they might go to 20...so who knows?
This post was edited on 6/26/15 at 10:41 am
Posted on 6/26/15 at 10:45 am to 5thTiger
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Missouri/Vandy: Mostly Missouri here. Despite perceived happiness in SEC, the no buyout makes them a potential target. I have seen the idea floated that the B1G would poach these 2 schools from the SEC. If the B1G can re-up their TV contract and $, they become a viable option for both these schools.
Which mean Missouri only. Do you even understand the Board of Trust?
If you know who is related to whom on the BoT, then VU pulling out of the SEC is a non happening no matter how many B1G blogger write circle jerk posts about it. In the B1G fantasy world they get all the academic schools in the south AND Notre Dame while going to 22 or 24 teams. If you believe all that crap I feel sure I could find you some nice overpriced swampland somewhere.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 10:52 am to Cheese Grits
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Which mean Missouri only.
I did say "mostly missouri here". I have no clue of Vandy's situation/history, but I figured I'd add throw it on there (similarly to kansas in the SEC).
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If you know who is related to whom on the BoT, then VU pulling out of the SEC is a non happening no matter how many B1G blogger write circle jerk posts about it. In the B1G fantasy world they get all the academic schools in the south AND Notre Dame while going to 22 or 24 teams. If you believe all that crap I feel sure I could find you some nice overpriced swampland somewhere.
ND is happy with their set up in the ACC. I just think (despite missouri posters thoughts) that Missouri would take a hard look at jumping the B1G if full membership was offered (and the money was similar/same). The academic prestige/connections are already solid with the B1G. So long as the SEC doesn't have a buyout, it remains a possibility.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:02 am to 5thTiger
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I did say "mostly missouri here". I have no clue of Vandy's situation/history
So I just informed you and you can edit Vandy out of that part of the post. If you want to go down that road with Mizzou, you do so alone.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:29 am to 5thTiger
I don't know why people keep beating a dead horse with this Mizzou to the B1G, or for that matter, any other conference. Mizzou thought long and hard, weighed all the positives and cons on where to land. Mizzou is not going anywhere unless they were tossed out of the SEC. Some of you would enjoy the frick out of that, but Mizzou itself is not pulling up roots once again to move.
This Mizzou discussion is just getting silly even on a sports message board.
This Mizzou discussion is just getting silly even on a sports message board.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:41 am to Mizzou4ever
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I don't know why people keep beating a dead horse with this Mizzou to the B1G, or for that matter, any other conference. Mizzou thought long and hard, weighed all the positives and cons on where to land.
with junior membership...I think everyone agrees that with full membership we would have gone. It isn't ridiculous to think given all our academic connections...AAU, Big Ten and Friends (yes we are in that club), CFAT, etc.
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Some of you would enjoy the frick out of that, but Mizzou itself is not pulling up roots once again to move.
For the bump in academic prestige? There are a certain breed of University presidents and provosts (the people who actually make the decision), who would do it in a second without fear...assuming athletic money is similar.
For this 10 years, the "new" donor bump will start to slow...imagine another "new" donor bump from B1G people. Its not far fetched.
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Mizzou is not going anywhere unless they were tossed out of the SEC.
People said the same thing about going anywhere but the B1G.
This post was edited on 6/26/15 at 11:58 am
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:42 am to Mizzou4ever
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Mizzou is not going anywhere unless they were tossed out of the SEC.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:58 am to 5thTiger
Yes, we would of went to the B1G with full membership, but that ship sailed about 3 years ago. You can sit there and come up with scenarios and reasons why Mizzou would make the move, but they will be delusional ones.
The B1G had their chance and it has passed. Mizzou is in the best position possible not only for the short term, but for the long haul. Academics are important and the SEC is on an upward trend. You are fooling yourself if you think the people in charge would be remotely interested in moving once again. It 'aint happening, nor should it.
The B1G had their chance and it has passed. Mizzou is in the best position possible not only for the short term, but for the long haul. Academics are important and the SEC is on an upward trend. You are fooling yourself if you think the people in charge would be remotely interested in moving once again. It 'aint happening, nor should it.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 12:03 pm to RagingCajun3195
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especially Texas with open arms
Aggie would absolutely love that, especially if they were put in the west.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 12:48 pm to 5thTiger
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People said the same thing about going anywhere but the B1G.
Are you using the royal "we" type thinking here?
Posted on 6/26/15 at 1:10 pm to Mizzou4ever
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Mizzou is not going anywhere unless they were tossed out of the SEC.
I say a majority of people. Who in 2009 thought Mizzou to SEC was a possibility?
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The B1G had their chance and it has passed. Mizzou is in the best position possible not only for the short term, but for the long haul. Academics are important and the SEC is on an upward trend. You are fooling yourself if you think the people in charge would be remotely interested in moving once again. It 'aint happening, nor should it.
Except for when the B1G gets its contract re-up in a few years and has the highest paying TV deal. Current B1G deal is 10 years, $1B = $100 mil per year. The PAC got $250mil/year in their re-up... the the B1G is much more valuable. B1G will up their revenue by like 150% at least. B1G made the smart move while the SEC and ACC sold their soul to ESPN.
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