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re: Does Gene Stallings get as much love...
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:36 pm to Robot Santa
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:36 pm to Robot Santa
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considering he had to go up against the GOAT
Pat Dye
This post was edited on 4/16/10 at 1:37 pm
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Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:36 pm to Alahunter
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Mich St before Saban
Conference Championships - 10
National Championships - 1 AP / 1 UPI for a total of 2.
Lsu before Saban
Conference Championships - 10
National Championships - 1 AP for a total of 1.
pretty selective stats there pal. let me help you out:
All-time record:
LSU 709–387–47 (.641)
Michigan St. 618–429–44 (.587)
Post-season bowl record:
LSU 21–18–1
Michigan St. 7–13–0
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:36 pm to Alahunter
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I didn't dispute that the Bama job wasn't what it once was when he took it over. My point is that Lsu was never what Bama was or considered "big time" until Saban did what he did. Potential was there, yes, but nothing was ever done with it to consider them a big time program.
I understand the point but it isn't just about history. You have to look at when he took the job. Many companies have a good history but are facing bankruptcy today.
LSU was not a hot job when he took it over. Bama was not a hot job when he took it over. Bama had money to pay the coach, good facilities, and a rich history, however their last decade had been a trainwreck with scandals galore.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:37 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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The Almighty Pat Dye worked his way up to the promise land from Bama to East Carolina to Wyoming.
Your right, I missed him. By the way, he left Wyoming after one year.
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Then he reached the ultimate pinnacle - Auburn and never even thought about going anywhere else.
And where he was fired in 1992. (not saying it was a bad decision). So Draco, how bout that list of coaches?
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:37 pm to secfan123
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Vince Dooley coached for his alma maters arch rival- hella good loyalty.
Woody hayes coached at Miami of Ohio, but promptly left after two seasons when Ohio St. came calling.
Bo Schembecler did the same thing to Miami- he also coached at the archrival of his mentor- how's that for loyalty?
Bear Bryant coached Kentucky before he got to Aabama.
The rest were lucky enough to be asstantants who were promoted to their head jobs at big name schools. So thats your definition of loyaty? Lucky to be promoted to head jobs at big name schools without having to prove yourself first?
I'm not talking about moving up the ladder, that's obviously different.
And Vince Dooley turned down his alma matter to stay at UGA several times. That's the ultimate sign of loyalty.
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Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:38 pm to secfan123
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And where he was fired in 1992. (not saying it was a bad decision).
He stepped down.
The GOAT was never fired.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:38 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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He stepped down.
So did Tubbs...
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:38 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I'm not talking about moving up the ladder, that's obviously different.
So then why are we having this argument? Saban moved up the ladder.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:39 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I'm not talking about moving up the ladder, that's obviously different.
Yes you are. Every time Nick Saban moved, it was up the ladder, until he wanted to come back to college ball. Your suggestion to him is either take a crappy job or sit out. Great advice.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:42 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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He stepped down
He stepped down becuase had he asked to come back the next year they would have told him HELL NO! Thats a firing. A rose by any other name, etc.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:45 pm to arwicklu
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LSU was not a hot job when he took it over. Bama was not a hot job when he took it over. Bama had money to pay the coach, good facilities, and a rich history, however their last decade had been a trainwreck with scandals galore.
I said that Bama wasn't what it once was when he took it over. This is twice you've said this when I stipulated it already. Bama has been down several times, and came back up to win. Lsu not nearly as much. That is the difference. As I said.. Lsu had 5 seasons with 10 or more wins in a hundred yrs and one NC before Saban, that's not that impressive, compared to Bama with 27 seasons with 10+ wins and minimum 7 NC's(however you want to count). That's big time. Saban ushered in the best era of Lsu football ever, at Bama, he's continuing great football (- the last decade and the 50's).This post was edited on 4/16/10 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:48 pm to Alahunter
Tons of 9 win seasons though! 
Pretty good in the 10/11 game schedule eras.
Pretty good in the 10/11 game schedule eras.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:52 pm to Alahunter
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I said that Bama wasn't what it once was when he took it over. This is twice you've said this when I stipulated it already. Bama has been down several times, and came back up to win. Lsu not nearly as much. That is the difference. As I said.. Lsu had 5 seasons with 10 or more wins in a hundred yrs and one NC before Saban, that's not that impressive, compared to Bama with 27 seasons with 10+ wins and minimum 7 NC's(however you want to count). That's big time. Saban ushered in the best era of Lsu football ever, at Bama, he's continuing great football (- the last decade and the 50's).
I understand what you're saying. I'm just saying without Saban LSU probably would have continued to be mediocre. I'm also saying without Saban we'd probably still be mediocre right now.
you said:
My point is that Lsu was never what Bama was or considered "big time" until Saban did what he did. Potential was there, yes, but nothing was ever done with it to consider them a big time program.
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I'm saying that despite the history, Bama was not a Big Time job when Saban took it. It's like Notre Dame is now. It's only big time based on the paycheck, which LSU was too. A big time job would imply it is currently a good job and not that it was a good job twenty years ago.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:52 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Tons of 9 win seasons though!
26 seasons out of 106 with 9 wins or more is good.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:55 pm to arwicklu
I think the hairs getting split are:
Big time job
and
Big time program
the two, imo, aren't the same. The job can fluctuate over time with hi's and lows. The program is the overall prestige based on the cumulative success, and that's what I was referring, and what the OP said.. program.
Big time job
and
Big time program
the two, imo, aren't the same. The job can fluctuate over time with hi's and lows. The program is the overall prestige based on the cumulative success, and that's what I was referring, and what the OP said.. program.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:56 pm to Alahunter
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I think the hairs getting split are:
Big time job
and
Big time program
the two, imo, aren't the same. The job can fluctuate over time with hi's and lows. The program is the overall prestige based on the cumulative success, and that's what I was referring, and what the OP said.. program.
LSU has the 12th most wins in NCAA history. I think you should give them a little more credit then.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:02 pm to arwicklu
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LSU has the 12th most wins in NCAA history. I think you should give them a little more credit then.
Suck up!
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:03 pm to arwicklu
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LSU has the 12th most wins in NCAA history. I think you should give them a little more credit then.
I said they were a good program. But they've had more losing seasons than they've had 9 win or more seasons too. They've been pretty good at times, but not to the point of being what the OP was making them out to be. They've been very successful the last 10 yrs and they've got the talent to continue to be very successful. If they can continue, then they can and should be considered big time as a program, historically.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 2:10 pm to BamaInHsv
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Suck up!
My bad. I forgot to mention their retarded coach.
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