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re: Does Gene Stallings get as much love...
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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#1 We didn't fire Mac.
Yeah, ya did. You let him call it 'retirement' but you forced him out.
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Gene Stallings, Bear Bryant, Joe Paterno, Charles McClendon, Shug Jordan, Vince Dooley, Bob Neyland, Woody Hayes, Tom Osbourne and Bo Schembechler just off the top of my head.
Vince Dooley coached for his alma maters arch rival- hella good loyalty.
Woody hayes coached at Miami of Ohio, but promptly left after two seasons when Ohio St. came calling.
Bo Schembecler did the same thing to Miami- he also coached at the archrival of his mentor- how's that for loyalty?
Bear Bryant coached Kentucky before he got to Aabama.
The rest were lucky enough to be asstantants who were promoted to their head jobs at big name schools. So thats your definition of loyaty? Lucky to be promoted to head jobs at big name schools without having to prove yourself first?
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Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:23 pm to arwicklu
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It doesn't really matter. It's easy to take the moral high-ground when you don't have a multi-million dollar offer on the table and a family that is taking part in that decision making process. He didn't want to stay in the NFL so he took the college job that made him and his family happiest. If you put your former employer before your hapiness and family, then you're either lying or have your priorities in the wrong place.
Yeah the Sabans were a real welfare case if not for Akabama
This post was edited on 4/16/10 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Please. LSU's history and resources far outweigh Michigan States.
Mich St before Saban
Conference Championships - 10
National Championships - 1 AP / 1 UPI for a total of 2.
Lsu before Saban
Conference Championships - 10
National Championships - 1 AP for a total of 1.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Well loyalty is a huge thing for me in all aspects of life, I make no appologies for it because I don't think it's a bad quality.
It isn't a bad quality but giving blind loyalty toward an employer that doesn't return the favor only serves to stunt career growth. You see so many stories where a loyal employee was fired after decades to tighten margins or because their job had been outsourced or automated. When you're giving your loyalty to an entity that doesn't return it, then it doesn't make sense. Les Miles will be fired fairly shortly, which will show how far their loyalty to him goes.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Yeah the Sabans were a real welfare case if not for Akabama
So because a person is wealthy, they should stop striving for career growth?
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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12 years not 22
My bad.
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LSU has always had huge potential, something Saban mentioned himself in his intro press conference.
having potential and being a big time job are not one in the same. You just made the argument that Saban made Lsu what it is, not the other way around.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:28 pm to arwicklu
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So because a person is wealthy, they should stop striving for career growth?
Draco tends to pick and choose what he replies to, and how he/she spins the reply. He/she seems to be more concerned about "who is right" than "what is right.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:28 pm to Alahunter
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having potential and being a big time job are not one in the same. You just made the argument that Saban made Lsu what it is, not the other way around.
Alabama had potential but it wasn't a good job when Saban took it. It's a similar situation. He changed the culture at LSU and he's done the same thing at Bama.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:29 pm to BamaInHsv
Alahunter, I just saw your sig. What happened to Memphis? Haven't seen a post in a while.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:29 pm to Alahunter
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Mich St before Saban
Conference Championships - 10
National Championships - 1 AP / 1 UPI for a total of 2.
Lsu before Saban
Conference Championships - 10
National Championships - 1 AP for a total of 1.
For as much crap as we take from the swamp gumps for having an overinflated sense of our program's worth, they sure do read a lot more success and prestige into their program's history than is actually there.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:29 pm to secfan123
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Vince Dooley coached for his alma maters arch rival- hella good loyalty.
Woody hayes coached at Miami of Ohio, but promptly left after two seasons when Ohio St. came calling.
Bo Schembecler did the same thing to Miami- he also coached at the archrival of his mentor- how's that for loyalty?
Bear Bryant coached Kentucky before he got to Aabama.
The rest were lucky enough to be asstantants who were promoted to their head jobs at big name schools. So thats your definition of loyaty? Lucky to be promoted to head jobs at big name schools without having to prove yourself first?
The Almighty Pat Dye worked his way up to the promise land from Bama to East Carolina to Wyoming.
Then he reached the ultimate pinnacle - Auburn and never even thought about going anywhere else.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:29 pm to arwicklu
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arwicklu
I didn't dispute that the Bama job wasn't what it once was when he took it over. My point is that Lsu was never what Bama was or considered "big time" until Saban did what he did. Potential was there, yes, but nothing was ever done with it to consider them a big time program.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:30 pm to BamaInHsv
banland.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:30 pm to Alahunter
If Michigan State and LSU are equal programs then why did he do so much better at LSU?
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:31 pm to Alahunter
I missed the infraction. Must have been spectacular. I would have considered Memphis one of the better posters.
Hmmm.... what does that say about me?
Hmmm.... what does that say about me?
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:32 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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If Michigan State and LSU are equal programs then why did he do so much better at LSU?
He actually tapped into the potential that was available for a change. Something that had only been done once, 50 yrs before that.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:32 pm to BamaInHsv
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Draco tends to pick and choose what he replies to, and how he/she spins the reply. He/she seems to be more concerned about "who is right" than "what is right.
Well I understand the argument because people are so emotional about their university. Teachers, presidents, faculty, coaches, etc all move around to different Universities.
When you take away the love for your University and realize that to a coach it is just a job, then it's not very different than switching from any company to one of their competitors.
People just think with their heart and not their brain on this one.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:33 pm to arwicklu
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So because a person is wealthy, they should stop striving for career growth?
Of course not, but if that's the motivation then NFL > Any college program when it comes to $$$ and prestige.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:34 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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If Michigan State and LSU are equal programs then why did he do so much better at LSU?
Because LSU doesn't share a state with Michigan.
Posted on 4/16/10 at 1:35 pm to Alahunter
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He actually tapped into the potential that was available for a change. Something that had only been done once, 50 yrs before that.
Arnsparger did as well, but the falling out with the administration kind of killed that. I think he could have won an NC.
Mac did very well fit awhile especially considering he had to go up against the GOAT
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