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re: Does Chavis need a ball control offense, with elite Time of Possession?
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:24 pm to L S Usetheforce
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:24 pm to L S Usetheforce
To even argue that a balanced attack means you have to be 50/50 run/pass makes me feel sorry for yall.
Balanced football teams can run or pass whenever they want. OSU could......Texas A&M couldn't............END OF STORY.
Balanced football teams can run or pass whenever they want. OSU could......Texas A&M couldn't............END OF STORY.
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:24 pm to Mirthomatic
Jesus, this thread goes beyond shooting fish in a barrel. This is like shooting a fish that is trying to suck-start a shotgun.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:25 pm to Mirthomatic
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. This is like shooting a fish that is trying to suck-start a shotgun.
Just when you thought it couldn't get any gayer......
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:27 pm to Mirthomatic
More run/pass ratio:
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As part of his blog, Phil Steele broke down the run-pass ratio of all 2014 teams and compared it to what those teams did in 2013. For those who like the numbers game, it's an interesting read.
For example, Arizona had one of the largest declines in their run-pass ratio from 2013 to 2014. In 2013, they ran the ball 62.8 percent of the time and passed 37.2 percent of the time. In 2014, that number was nearly 50-50 (well, 50.5-49.5 to be exact).
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:28 pm to Mirthomatic
I understand what it is.......You think OSU was unbalanced because they had 300 more runs than pass..........which is why I referenced run/pass ratio faggie.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:29 pm to Farmer1906
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Say GT who runs the triple option gets absolutely stuffed. I am talking 40 rushes for 7 yards. Then once said game is in hand and GT is going to lose they attempt 1 pass to the RB who breaks it for about 35 yards. You're saying GT was an unbalanced pass attack that game?
Started from the bottom now we on hypotheticals. You kids play nice now. Please don't sic the RA corps on me.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:30 pm to Mirthomatic
Run/pass ratio in the SEC:
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2013 is the year of the quarterback, and the SEC has never seen this many elite signal callers torching defenses. But that hasn’t swayed play callers overall, because the SEC, as a whole, is running the ball more in 2013 than in 2012.
The SEC is throwing it 43 percent of the time, compared to last year’s 44 percent of the time. Both remain less than the national average in 2012 and 2013.
What is perfect run/pass balance? It truly differs for every team, scheme and personnel. The national average says 45/55 pass/run is a balance. That looks true in the SEC for 2013.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:32 pm to Mirthomatic
Keep linking proof you still don't know what a balanced attack means
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:33 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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hypotheticals
You realize it was to show the extremely flawing and idiot logic. Don't tell me you agree with use the force. No way 2 people could share the same perverted idea that balanced means similar # of yards rushing as passing.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:35 pm to L S Usetheforce
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I understand what it is.......You think OSU was unbalanced because they had 300 more runs than pass..........which is why I referenced run/pass ratio faggie.
This is painful. I am feeling pain here.
Yes, OSU was unbalanced in favor of the run. They ran 63% of the time and passed 37% of the time. The run pass ratio is 63/37. Are you seriously claiming this is balanced?
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:36 pm to Mirthomatic
He's seriously ignorant
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:39 pm to Mirthomatic
When will A&M learn how to run the ball?
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:41 pm to GeorgeReymond
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When will A&M learn how to run the ball?
Good question. Christensen was hired to improve the running game, we'll see how that pans out.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:43 pm to Mirthomatic
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I'm using the evidence that the original poster to whom I am responding used. They were the one who brought up 3rd down conversion rates. I was demonstrating that USING THE CRITERIA HE SELECTED, his argument was disproven.
You took my argument, comparing aTm, Clemson, and TCU, and countered with an argument solely related to LSU/Chavis... you're not disproving anything when you can't stay on topic.
I like to use a criterion that weeds out "cupcakes", as a personal preference.
Against Power 5 teams..
Clemson averaged 40.5 rushes per game for 135.8 yards (3.4 ypa) representing 52.71% of their offensive playcalls, and converted 40.49% of their 3rd downs.
TCU averaged 38.6 rushes per game for 207.4 yards (5.4 ypa) representing 48.08% of their offensive playcalls, and converted 42.86% of their 3rd downs.
aTm averaged 32.1 rushes per game for 143.7 yards (4.5 ypa) representing 43.60% of their offensive playcalls, and converted 38.79% of their 3rd downs.
You use Clemson and TCU as examples of "spread" teams that have elite defenses, and yet, both teams are more committed to the run, have higher 3rd down conversion percentages, and command a greater percentage of time of possession than your Aggies.
So the fact that they are able to field very good defenses really has no bearing on your defense UNLESS Sumlin abandons his modus operandi and begins operating more like Clemson, TCU, Auburn, and Oregon.
You've pointed to the hiring of your "running game coordinator," but I've seen firsthand the failures of hiring a coordinator to shore up a specific area of an offense. Your backs aren't going to scare anyone any time soon.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:43 pm to Farmer1906
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You realize it was to show the extremely flawing and idiot logic. Don't tell me you agree with use the force. No way 2 people could share the same perverted idea that balanced means similar # of yards rushing as passing.
I never asserted that a balanced "attack" had anything to do with either ratio or production. I never used the word attack, because the distinction is trivial to me. That word was slipped in like a tip on prom night, so it could be knocked down later. That's called a straw man, something that's been going on a lot as this thread spirals into the shitter.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:48 pm to Mirthomatic
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"was debunked in the very next post," is how that sentence ends.
Not really, Clemson was #38 in pass offense last season. Alabama (with more ball-control) was ranked #28. I think at the very least this requires more investigation.
The previous season Clemson was #9 in passing offense, but ranked #24 in scoring defense and #29 in total defense. Not quite the same as Clemson finishing #1 in Total Defense and #3 in Scoring Defense with a lower ranked pass offense. Again, this requires more investigating, but adds some lean toward higher defensive rankings with more ball-control offense.
This post was edited on 7/9/15 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 7/9/15 at 3:59 pm to chilge1
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You took my argument, comparing aTm, Clemson, and TCU, and countered with an argument solely related to LSU/Chavis... you're not disproving anything when you can't stay on topic.
Dude, Chavis is the topic. Literally.
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You use Clemson and TCU as examples of "spread" teams that have elite defenses, and yet, both teams are more committed to the run, have higher 3rd down conversion percentages, and command a greater percentage of time of possession than your Aggies.
"Spread" teams aren't just teams that spread to pass. They also include teams that spread to run. And especially TCU is a HUNH team.
And I wasn't the one who brought up Clemson as an example. It was the guy who was trying to say spread teams have trouble converting on 3rd down.
Are Clemson and TCU "more committed to the run" than A&M? Sure, but we aren't talking OSU or Auburn level commitment. TCU is even a slightly pass-first team.
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So the fact that they are able to field very good defenses really has no bearing on your defense UNLESS Sumlin abandons his modus operandi and begins operating more like Clemson, TCU, Auburn, and Oregon.
You've pointed to the hiring of your "running game coordinator," but I've seen firsthand the failures of hiring a coordinator to shore up a specific area of an offense. Your backs aren't going to scare anyone any time soon.
It is undeniable what Sumlin is trying to do: run the ball better. Whether he has success is a question that will only be determined in the fall.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 4:04 pm to Will2nd
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Not really, Clemson was #38 in pass offense last season. Alabama (with more ball-control) was ranked #28. I think at the very least this requires more investigation.
Well this...
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Look at these teams all over the country and show me one that has great defense
was the challenge. I didn't have to show that ALL spread teams have great defenses. Or that even MOST spread teams have great defenses. I was asked to find one. And I identified two, one specifically listed, and one that definitely is a HUNH spread B12 team.
Do higher-ranking defenses correlate more closely with more ball-control offenses? Sure. I agree completely. I just disagree that you CAN'T have a great defense w/ a HUNH/spead offense.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 4:26 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I never asserted that a balanced "attack" had anything to do with either ratio or production. I never used the word attack, because the distinction is trivial to me. That word was slipped in like a tip on prom night, so it could be knocked down later. That's called a straw man, something that's been going on a lot as this thread spirals into the shitter.
"Balanced attack" is a synonym of "Balanced offense". It's not a straw man.
By the way, are you still contending that a balanced offense refers to yardage gained instead of plays run?
Posted on 7/9/15 at 4:45 pm to volfan30
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Only exceptions are if you're in a 3rd and long situation or have a slim lead late in the game.
Chavis folded like a dollar suitcase in the last minutes of big games, just ask Nicky....
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