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re: Do you think the Auburn Head Coaching Job is Top 10?
Posted on 10/24/13 at 3:59 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Posted on 10/24/13 at 3:59 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:Its possible it's not even top 5 in the conference.
Top 5 certainly possible
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 3:59 pm to JuiceTerry
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Its possible it's not even top 5 in the conference
You def. lick windows.
This post was edited on 10/24/13 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:00 pm to parkjas2001
So you disagree? Make your case. Here's mine:
Alabama
Florida
LSU
Georgia
Tenn/AU/aTm
Alabama
Florida
LSU
Georgia
Tenn/AU/aTm
This post was edited on 10/24/13 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:02 pm to JuiceTerry
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Make your case.
Bama Tenn UGA LSU AU
That was easy
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:03 pm to JuiceTerry
You can read...congrats.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:04 pm to ACL11190
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I tend to think there is more to ranking these jobs than just recruiting. Maybe that's just me?
I agree. The question has always been, what about this job is attractive to a coach. That may very from coach to coach, but in terms of the job itself, here is how I would order the priorities that generally every coach would have when considering a job:
1. Ability to succeed at a national level. This includes factors such as location in terms of talent, facilities, resources, etc. While factors such as a program history/prestige and location/town can play a factor in recruiting, they are irrelevant by themselves.
(huge gap)
2. Money. It's a fricking job. It takes all their time.
3. College's location/town in terms of aesthetics, lifestyle, etc. (may help recruiting, but not a huge factor) The job takes too much time for this to be a big factor.
4. History/prestige (may help recruiting)
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:04 pm to WG_Dawg
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Add it all up. Top 5 certainly possible
It's not possible
Ok, you dumb. Tells me all I need to know with the "not possible".
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:05 pm to parkjas2001
You can make yourself look stupid! Congrats 
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:06 pm to Hater Bait
Auburn is clearly a very good job. Now, top 10? Maybe not. Close. Auburn is what, the 12th, 15th best program in the modern era? So somewhere around there.
Now, here is where the downside is:
1) You're in Alabama. And no, not just because you have to compete with Alabama (Auburn has done fine in the last several decades in that regard) but you're the second school. The state government favors Alabama, so does the general population. So there will always be some resentment at home, even when you dominate.
2) If you're not the smallest Big 6 program, you're close. Look at UGA, a largely comparable program. Twice as many students, which means pumping out twice as many alums. Wealthier state. Better state for recruiting. And you've got to compete with that. And LSU, which has a state to itself, Alabama's hold on HS coaches, etc. It's a tall order.
3) Recent events/media. For whatever reason, Auburn just isn't especially well regarded by media. Everyone feels that way, but I think Auburn does get the shaft sometimes. The Cam thing broke records for journalistic ridiculousness. Plus, it is a rabidly conservative school, which I think the national media has some angst about.
Good parts:
1) Reasonable fan base IF you beat Alabama. No, you won't be worshipped as a God like UA coaches are, but in general people won't stalk you and "Hey coach, what about..." you all the time. Also, your fans will tolerate good, but not legendary seasons, unlike UGA which gets bored if they're not in it for the 'ship.
2) Fly under the radar a lot. Get paid like you're not under the radar. For the person who wants that life, it is a good gig. Far less celebrity than at some other big schools.
3) Growing number of advocates for the program. I think getting people like Dufner to give you publicity is huge. And AU always gets a lot of pub from Barkley and Bo, and now Cam. All big schools have star athletes, but Auburn has done a good job cultivating star personalities.
Now, here is where the downside is:
1) You're in Alabama. And no, not just because you have to compete with Alabama (Auburn has done fine in the last several decades in that regard) but you're the second school. The state government favors Alabama, so does the general population. So there will always be some resentment at home, even when you dominate.
2) If you're not the smallest Big 6 program, you're close. Look at UGA, a largely comparable program. Twice as many students, which means pumping out twice as many alums. Wealthier state. Better state for recruiting. And you've got to compete with that. And LSU, which has a state to itself, Alabama's hold on HS coaches, etc. It's a tall order.
3) Recent events/media. For whatever reason, Auburn just isn't especially well regarded by media. Everyone feels that way, but I think Auburn does get the shaft sometimes. The Cam thing broke records for journalistic ridiculousness. Plus, it is a rabidly conservative school, which I think the national media has some angst about.
Good parts:
1) Reasonable fan base IF you beat Alabama. No, you won't be worshipped as a God like UA coaches are, but in general people won't stalk you and "Hey coach, what about..." you all the time. Also, your fans will tolerate good, but not legendary seasons, unlike UGA which gets bored if they're not in it for the 'ship.
2) Fly under the radar a lot. Get paid like you're not under the radar. For the person who wants that life, it is a good gig. Far less celebrity than at some other big schools.
3) Growing number of advocates for the program. I think getting people like Dufner to give you publicity is huge. And AU always gets a lot of pub from Barkley and Bo, and now Cam. All big schools have star athletes, but Auburn has done a good job cultivating star personalities.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:06 pm to JuiceTerry
You convinced me to go back and change what I wrote.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:15 pm to Pettifogger
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Pettifogger
Well thought out post. I can't argue with most of what you wrote.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:16 pm to KaiserSoze99
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I could make an argument for Auburn over Michigan, Notre Dame, and Ohio State. I don't necessarily believe that's true, but there are measurables that favor Auburn.
Please elaborate.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:17 pm to Pettifogger
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1) You're in Alabama. And no, not just because you have to compete with Alabama (Auburn has done fine in the last several decades in that regard) but you're the second school. The state government favors Alabama, so does the general population. So there will always be some resentment at home, even when you dominate.
That's a fair point. Does that factor impede Auburn's ability to compete on a national level?
Recent history indicates otherwise.
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2) If you're not the smallest Big 6 program, you're close. Look at UGA, a largely comparable program. Twice as many students, which means pumping out twice as many alums.
This is more of a factor, but is more a long-term issue, as most coaches only stick around for less than 10 years.
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Wealthier state. Better state for recruiting. And you've got to compete with that. And LSU, which has a state to itself, Alabama's hold on HS coaches, etc. It's a tall order.
This is a factor because it affects a coach's ability to succeed on a national level, but Auburn has already proved to be able to overcome those obstacles. Yes, Bama, UGA, and LSU are better jobs, but that's because they are the creme of the crop.
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3) Recent events/media. For whatever reason, Auburn just isn't especially well regarded by media. Everyone feels that way, but I think Auburn does get the shaft sometimes. The Cam thing broke records for journalistic ridiculousness. Plus, it is a rabidly conservative school, which I think the national media has some angst about.
The only reason this is a factor is because it COULD affect a prospective coach's ability to succeed on a national level.
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Good parts:
1) Reasonable fan base IF you beat Alabama. No, you won't be worshipped as a God like UA coaches are, but in general people won't stalk you and "Hey coach, what about..." you all the time. Also, your fans will tolerate good, but not legendary seasons, unlike UGA which gets bored if they're not in it for the 'ship.
2) Fly under the radar a lot. Get paid like you're not under the radar. For the person who wants that life, it is a good gig. Far less celebrity than at some other big schools.
3) Growing number of advocates for the program. I think getting people like Dufner to give you publicity is huge. And AU always gets a lot of pub from Barkley and Bo, and now Cam. All big schools have star athletes, but Auburn has done a good job cultivating star personalities.
In other words, Auburn has a lot going for it to allow a coach to come in and immediately compete at a high level.
Bottom line. Coaches want a place with as few limitations on success as possible. That's it. Money and other items are either lesser priorities or are mere subparts to the success factor.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:20 pm to KaiserSoze99
Like I said, AU is a good job. But it may be the 4th or 5th best job on your schedule.
AU, to a lesser extent than TAMU but still, is a cultural fit job. But, if you fit in with them, I don't know why any top coach wouldn't have interest.
AU, to a lesser extent than TAMU but still, is a cultural fit job. But, if you fit in with them, I don't know why any top coach wouldn't have interest.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:21 pm to tress4pres
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Please elaborate.
Snow and longer winters to start; Disadvantaged geographically recruiting-wise; Not in the SEC, in the Big-10 (currently not prestigious).
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:21 pm to ACL11190
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It seems your whole argument over Auburn was based on recruiting though.
No, recruiting it part of it, then the auburn fans focused on that and it went a few pages. I have never once said recruiting is the only, or even the most important, part of the criteria.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:22 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Ok, you dumb. Tells me all I need to know with the "not possible".
You think Auburn is a top 5, but I'm dumb. Ok.
Answer my question, out of Texas, USC, Alabama, Notre Dame, and Michigan, which of those 5 schools is bumped in place of Auburn for a prospective head coach?
There are tiers. The 2nd tier includes top notch, first class, extremely desirable jobs that a great coach can step in and win and win for a long time. But then there is tier 1, which is ELITE. There are only a handful of those schools, of which the above I named are in. Ohio State and Oklahoma could make a case as well. Auburn is not in the same group as those others.
This post was edited on 10/24/13 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:28 pm to AUsteriskPride
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Snow and longer winters to start; Disadvantaged geographically recruiting-wise; Not in the SEC, in the Big-10 (currently not prestigious).
Add dying region.
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:30 pm to WG_Dawg
1. USC
2. Texas
3. Notre Dame
4. Michigan
5. Alabama
6. Ohio St
7. UF
8. Oklahoma
9. Oregon
10. UGA
Next 5: FSU, UTk, LSU, Nebraska, Auburn
Pre-scandal Penn State was a top 10 job.
EDIT: It'd be pretty cool if the top 3 were all looking for head coaches this offseason (UT fires Brown, Kelly to NFL), then we could get a more definite feel for their rankings relative to each other.
2. Texas
3. Notre Dame
4. Michigan
5. Alabama
6. Ohio St
7. UF
8. Oklahoma
9. Oregon
10. UGA
Next 5: FSU, UTk, LSU, Nebraska, Auburn
Pre-scandal Penn State was a top 10 job.
EDIT: It'd be pretty cool if the top 3 were all looking for head coaches this offseason (UT fires Brown, Kelly to NFL), then we could get a more definite feel for their rankings relative to each other.
This post was edited on 10/24/13 at 4:32 pm
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