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re: Do the rant posters think that Auburn DESERVES to be awarded the 2004 NC?

Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:07 pm to
Posted by stapuffmarshy
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Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

Do the rant posters think that Auburn DESERVES to be awarded the 2004 NC?



uh no. Deserve probation is about all they deserve
Posted by Duke
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:16 pm to
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Do the rant posters think that Auburn DESERVES to be awarded the 2004 NC?


Nope.

I want to start by saying that Auburn team was awesome. I was a Bammer at that point in my life, and I enjoyed watching them play. I still think USC was better though, but Auburn would have given them a game. Hell Okie turned over the ball like crazy in the 2nd quarter and the game was out of reach by halftime. Play that game five times, and I think it looks different.

Auburn has two things going against them.

1. The OOC schedule was horrific. Resume hurting. The point of the BCS is to take the teams with the two best resumes and let them play a game for the championship. Auburn did themselves no favors in this regard.

2. This was the worst the SEC performed record wise since 1990. It was certainly the most down year of SEC football the entire decade. It takes a bit of the shine off the undefeated run in the SEC.

It doesn't matter, the public has already established the idea USC was the champ that year. Title strip or no, this is how it's going to be remembered. So the question doesn't really matter.
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:18 pm to
Very clever and original. On what basis does AU deserve probation concerning facts?
Posted by LafourcheTiger
Avarua, Cook Islands
Member since Mar 2009
2248 posts
Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:19 pm to
frick Auburn. They're lucky if the one they "won" this year won't be taken away
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37006 posts
Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:19 pm to
probably not no

should just be left vacant I guess

Auburn got screwed but there is nothing to do about it now
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:24 pm to
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1. The OOC schedule was horrific. Resume hurting. The point of the BCS is to take the teams with the two best resumes and let them play a game for the championship. Auburn did themselves no favors in this regard.


Da frick
Posted by stapuffmarshy
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Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:25 pm to
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AUtigerNOLA36



keep drinking the kool-aid bro


5 years from now this thread will be titled:

Does Oregon deserve to be awarded the 2010 NC?

Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36439 posts
Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:26 pm to
I may be remembering the wrong year man. I certainly remember that being one of the issues with Auburn's shot, you know beside OU and USC being up there all year.

ULM
The Citidel
La Tech

Yeah...shitty.

OU:

Oregon
Houston
Bowling Green (Finished 9-3 with Omar Jacobs at QB having a 41/4 TD to int ratio that year)

Better.

USC:

VT
Notre Dame
Colorado State
BYU

Clearly better.
This post was edited on 6/7/11 at 2:30 pm
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38736 posts
Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

I may be remembering the wrong year man. I certainly remember that being one of the issues with Auburn's shot, you know beside OU and USC being up there all year.

ULM
The Citidel
La Tech

Yeah...shitty.

OU:

Oregon
Houston
Bowling Green (Finished 9-3 with Omar Jacobs at QB having a 41/4 TD to int ratio that year)

Better.

USC:

VT
Notre Dame
Colorado State
BYU

Clearly better.


How many ranked teams did each play?

Is what you are saying is that if Auburn played 5 ranked teams (all in-conference) and Oklahoma played 2 ranked teams (all in-conference), that Oklahoma having a slightly tougher OUT of conference schedule obviously makes Oklahoma more deserving?

So its all about out of conference scheduling?

All those tough SEC in-conference games mean nothing?
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:34 pm to
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stapuffmarshy


quote:

keep drinking the kool-aid bro


no need

quote:

5 years from now


There is a old saying...never invest in hope..you lose a lot of money that way Unless something drastic happens, AU will be sitting pretty in 5 years. Until then, the crystal ball gazing resides in AU Athletic Complex.
Posted by stapuffmarshy
lower 9
Member since Apr 2010
17507 posts
Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:37 pm to
I don't care one way or the other bro, just find it funny that Auburn fans want one you didn't get when the one you did get will be gone just like USC


and BTW, the 04 Aubie team had a assist from the SEC refs in beating a rather avg LSU team so add that reason to the Auburn gets nothing list
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:40 pm to
So what you are saying 3 ooc games determines the strength of a teams schedule
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
17213 posts
Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:43 pm to
quote:

and BTW, the 04 Aubie team had a assist from the SEC refs in beating a rather avg LSU team so add that reason to the Auburn gets nothing list



Regardless of the 04 season, the 2010 season is AU's. And there really isn't anything anybody can do about it.
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36439 posts
Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:45 pm to
quote:


All those tough SEC in-conference games mean nothing?


From my OP:

quote:

2. This was the worst the SEC performed record wise since 1990. It was certainly the most down year of SEC football the entire decade. It takes a bit of the shine off the undefeated run in the SEC.


Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36439 posts
Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:48 pm to
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So what you are saying 3 ooc games determines the strength of a teams schedule


Did you even bother to read my OP? I think I explained my thoughts on the schedule very well. Auburn needed more in a down year in the SEC. A Div 1-AA hurts. To jump Okie or USC, they needed a quality win there too.

Like I said, the point of the BCS is to get the two best resumes over a season and let those two teams play for the national championship. Combo of factors, but Auburn did themselves no favors with that OOC. They just didn't have the normal strength of the SEC to fall back on that year.
This post was edited on 6/7/11 at 2:49 pm
Posted by blzr
Saratoga
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:49 pm to
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The OOC schedule was horrific.


We played more ranked teams than USC and Oklahoma that year, maybe more than both combined.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:57 pm to
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Did you even bother to read my OP? I think I explained my thoughts on the schedule very well. Auburn needed more in a down year in the SEC. A Div 1-AA hurts. To jump Okie or USC, they needed a quality win there too.


Yes I did, Go back and look at the teams Auburn played vs. the others. Auburn's schedule>USC>OK look at the horrible teams they played in-conference

Essentially, we played 3x 10 win teams and a 9 win vs 2x 10 win and a 9 in USC's "beter" schedule

Down year in the SEC>PAC 10 up year>Big 12 Up year
This post was edited on 6/7/11 at 2:59 pm
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36439 posts
Posted on 6/7/11 at 2:59 pm to
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We played more ranked teams than USC and Oklahoma that year, maybe more than both combined.


Auburn played four teams in the regular season and SEC championship that finished the season in the Top 25. Two wins over #13 Tennessee (on road and neutral site), one over #8 UGA (home), and #16 LSU (home).

USC played three teams that finished in the Top 25, including Auburn's Sugar Bowl opponent #10 VT (neutral), #9 Cal (home), and #19 Arizona State (home).

OU played #5 Texas (neutral), and #18 Texas Tech.

Hard to really figure out sos at this point though, at least more research than I care to put in.

ETA: The SEC was generally the best conference at the time, but the divide wasn't what it is today and it was an especially down year. The conference divide that year isn't what everyone is making it out to be.
This post was edited on 6/7/11 at 3:02 pm
Posted by joeyb147
Member since Jun 2009
16019 posts
Posted on 6/7/11 at 3:02 pm to
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Auburn needed more in a down year in the SEC


Tha frick?

#1 SCAL
8.28.04, #1 SCAL 24, #10 VT 13 (Landover, MD)
10.9.04, #1 SCAL 23, #9 Cal 17 (Pasadena, CA)
10.16.04, #1 SCAL 45, #19 ASU 7 (Pasadena, CA)
1.4.05, #1 SCAL 55, #3 OU 19 (Miami, FL)

#2 Auburn
9.18.04, #2 AU 10, #16 LSU 9 (Auburn, AL)
10.2.04, #2 AU 34, #13 TN 10 (Knoxville, TN)
11.13.04, #2 AU 24, #7 UGA 6 (Auburn, AL)
12.4.04, #2 AU 38, #13 TN 28 (Atlanta, GA)
1.1.05, #2 AU 16, #10 VT 13 (New Orleans, LA)

#3 OU
10.2.04, #3 OU 28, #18 Texas Tech 13 (Norman, OK)
10.9.04, #3 OU 12, #5 TX 0 (Dallas, TX)
Posted by stapuffmarshy
lower 9
Member since Apr 2010
17507 posts
Posted on 6/7/11 at 3:04 pm to
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and #16 LSU (home).



10-9 with the refs giving the Aubies a "second" try at the extra point.....It was a failure all the way around
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