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re: Did Sankey Ever Explain Conference/Team Scheduling

Posted on 9/23/24 at 3:06 pm to
Posted by Murph4HOF
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 3:06 pm to
I was wrong about FL and LSU playing as often as they have prior to 1992.

But that series is insignificant compared to the ones I mentioned in the post you replied to.
Posted by ColoradoElkHerd
USA
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:08 pm to
Sankeyv doesn't discuss the secret cash payments he gets. Green money in brown paper bags.
Posted by HTX Horn
Houston
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:42 pm to
The other issue was the new CFP and them wanting to get a feel whether more SEC teams would get in with 8 conf games vs 9.

Easier to have everyone schedule a ULM, Bowling Green, McNeese St, etc with a W rather than half your teams taking a loss on same weekend.

That and of course the TV money.
Posted by SEC. 593
Chicago
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 9:19 am to
As I explained up thread, If you have a rotation of "Partner Pods" (or whatever you want to call them) than you've eliminated the biggest issue with the divisions (schools never playing each other) and have made it about as even as possible because even if you are seen to be in a weaker Pod you are still playing all the teams in another stronger Pod +2 cross-partner games.

Pod A:
Alabama
Tenn
UK
Vandy

Pod B:
Georgia
Auburn
Florida
SC

Pod C:
Texas
OU
Mizz
Ark

Pod D:
LSU
OM
A&M
State

If you just declare that Alabama and Auburn will play each other each year either through being Partner Pods or as one of the two Cross-partner games... than each of the traditional rivalries is protected.

Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
30687 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 11:43 am to
quote:

As I explained up thread, If you have a rotation of "Partner Pods" (or whatever you want to call them) than you've eliminated the biggest issue with the divisions (schools never playing each other) and have made it about as even as possible because even if you are seen to be in a weaker Pod you are still playing all the teams in another stronger Pod +2 cross-partner games.

Pod A:
Alabama
Tenn
UK
Vandy

Pod B:
Georgia
Auburn
Florida
SC

Pod C:
Texas
OU
Mizz
Ark

Pod D:
LSU
OM
A&M
State

If you just declare that Alabama and Auburn will play each other each year either through being Partner Pods or as one of the two Cross-partner games... than each of the traditional rivalries is protected.


Or, you just give every team 2 or 3 permanent rival games and rotate the rest like they are basically doing now.


Posted by reggierayreb
Member since Nov 2012
17955 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

This. They just kicked the can down the road for 2 years. They did something similar when we joined in 2012, calling that year a "bridge" schedule.


I remember this. aTm and Sumlin actually came to Oxford back to back years in both 2012 and 2013. Of course Manziel won both fricking games.

Posted by ChapelHillSooner
Chapel Hill
Member since Dec 2020
886 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:17 pm to
quote:


I remember this coming up at some point. I believe 8 v 9 games was a sticking point.

Not perfect, but similar to NFL model. How pods are grouped TBD, hopefully keeping some historical rivalries

4 pods, each with 4 teams
Nine game conference schedule / three non-conference*

Example -
Pod A plays : 3 pod teams, 4 Pod B teams, and 1 team each from Pods C and D (based on prior year finish is probably easiest).
Rotate pods each year until 4 year cycle is complete (Year 2, A plays 4 Pod Cs, and 1 each from B & D, etc.)
Teams play each school at least 1 of every 4 years.

*if the team or rival you "need" to play is not in your pod, you can always schedule as a "non-conference" game for the years you do not play

Questions likely around:
How conference champion(s) are determined (I think back to pre-1992 SEC)
Disparity with every other year 5 home / 4 away conference schedule (strength of schedule has often been questioned with previous divisions)


Unless I misunderstand your suggestion, I think that four year cycle is a six year cyle.

A-B, C-D (two years)
A-C, B-D (two years)
A-D, B-C (two years)

My suggestion was very similar but instead of playing teams in the other two pods based on prior year finish, you have a permanent rival in each of the other three pods. That gives you six permanent games. If that can't handle all of the rivalries then nothing will.

The games would be:

3 - within your pod
4 - against your aligned pod
2 - against your permanent rival in the two remaining pods

It might be that the ninth game is a no-go. The other drawback is you only play some teams when your pod aligns with theirs - twice every six years. Twice every six years is reasonable and better than the old SEC system.

The playing teams that finished in your order is intriguing. If it were more than two games I'd say it would create too unbalanced of schedules but with just two games it could work. However, it would be harder to protect rivalries with that option.


BTW, if they ever adopted my suggestion, I would definitely behave like a real life Larry Culpepper. I've seen people repeat my suggestion (and it is possible that they independently came up with it) but doubt anyone came up with it before I did as I posted it here within a week of OU/TX announcing they would join. I say this tongue-in-cheek (to a degree) so feel free to make fun of me for it.
This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 12:21 pm
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
14422 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

They should have put Texas in the West or East and Oklahoma on the other side, then flipped them in Year 2.


Nahh. Auburn and MSU could go to the East and have two cross divisional opponents permanent.

Alabama keeps TSIO and Auburn, with permanents plus the western schedule rivalries by staying in the west.




This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 12:33 pm
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
40404 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

But that series is insignificant compared to the ones I mentioned in the post you replied to.


LSU being in old SWC would suck.

The UF game not bring every year fine but losing Auburn, Bama, and UF bridge too far

We would play OU, UTx, Mizzou, Aggie, Arky, MSU, and Ole Miss?

So basically 2 historically SEC teams?
Posted by Broz1839
STL
Member since Aug 2019
514 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:53 pm to
Thank God Mizzou's rivals are South Carolina and Hogs lol
Posted by ChapelHillSooner
Chapel Hill
Member since Dec 2020
886 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

Yep, that's the point I am making. A tough schedule is a good thing in my book. I wouldn't have minded trading schedules with OU this year. Two losses still gets you into the playoff.


Is it too late?
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8435 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:30 pm to
It IS possible if you adjust the format. In other words, if Ga./Aub. or Tn./Ala. are in different pods, then the games amongst them MUST BE KEPT yearly. Therefore, everybody needs a perm rival in (at least) 1 other pod.
*This would also keep MSU/Ala. going.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8435 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

Well they are possible, but they aren't possible if you want to play all teams 2x every 4 years, which seemed to be the priority.


No fans were in favor of that ruling. We'ld rather see important games yearly over rotating as fast as possible.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8435 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:34 pm to
Partially due to the fact of the ACC's demise & further conference realignment.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8435 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:35 pm to
quote:

They should have put Texas in the West or East and Oklahoma on the other side, then flipped them in Year 2.


Drawback is you wouldn't have visited /hosted the schools you just played.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8435 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:37 pm to
quote:

Any truth to success over the last 5 years was used in part to create schedules? Kind of seems like it


That's what they claimed...but if it's a 2 year temp. schedule, why use that format?
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8435 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:51 pm to
Easier way is put a perm rival in each pod & pair up pods yearly. Winner of each "group" is an SECCG team.

Ex.
Y1 - AB winner vrs. CD winner
Y2 - AC winner vrs. BD winner
Y3 - AD winner vrs. BC winner

A1's Y1 schedule
A2/A3/A4/B1(perm. rival)/B2/B3/B4/C1 (perm. rival)/ D1 (perm. rival).

A1's Y2 schedule
A2/A3/A4/B1 (perm. rival)/C1 (perm. rival)/C2/C3/C4/D1 (perm. rival)

A1's Y3 schedule
A2/A3/A4/B1 (perm. rival)/C1(perm. rival)/D1 (perm. rival)/D2/D3/D4


ALL important games are kept., SECCG teams are automatically decided, doesn't matter how pods are formed, & FULL CONF. ROTATION in 6 years.
This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 2:52 pm
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8435 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:53 pm to
quote:

*if the team or rival you "need" to play is not in your pod, you can always schedule as a "non-conference" game for the years you do not play


WHY play a CONFERENCE rival as a "non-conf. game"?
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
30908 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:54 pm to
i dont understand why fans dont want 9 conference games vs a 4th FCS cupcake game.

You will see that SEC teams will get the benefit of the doubt and we will have 3 loss teams in the playoff if that happens.

Covid year with 10 SEC games was amazing. We barely have any good matchups on
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8435 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

Also, you wouldn't hear people like Auburn bitch about their out of division perm.


They'ld be replaced with LSU's griping.
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