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re: Did LSU set a record for the number of early NFL draft declarations?

Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:38 pm to
Posted by KaiserSoze99
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:38 pm to
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9-3 at worst? You play Florida, Georgia, Alabama, A&M, and Ole Miss. There's 5 losses right there, not that I think LSU will lose every one, but it could happen. It could get a hell of a lot worse if than 9-3 if the defense takes a step back.

That D line is what kept Johnny from being his usual run-all-over-the-got-damn-field self. The question for 2013 is whether the backups can shut down offenses like the 2012 version did.
Posted by lsu711
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:41 pm to
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That D line is what kept Johnny from being his usual run-all-over-the-got-damn-field self.


LSU switched to a 3-4 and put athletic freshmen at OLB. They'll probably do the same in 2013 and win again.
Posted by graychef
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:43 pm to
It'll be about the same in 2013. That 3-4 gave Manziel fits. The young LBs played very well when asked to do so in that game. I don't think defense will be a liability for LSU in 2013. The team goes as the offense goes.
Posted by KaiserSoze99
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:44 pm to
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LSU switched to a 3-4 and put athletic freshmen at OLB. They'll probably do the same in 2013 and win again.

That was the problem most fans had with KK's play-calling. 3 down linemen is a run play all day long. I don't think that is a good strategy a second time around. But, by all means, please try that again. I won't complain.
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:46 pm to
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LSU fans trying to spin losing good players as a good thing


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NYCAuburn


Enhance:

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Auburn


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Auburn


Do I have to pull every single thread talking about how losing Michael Dyer was no big deal and that Tre Mason is a Thurmon Thomas/Barry Sanders/Walter Payton/Jerome Bettis super hybrid, except better?

My Auburn friends wrote the book on spinning a departure as a good thing
This post was edited on 1/9/13 at 3:54 pm
Posted by LsuTool
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:51 pm to
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LSU switched to a 3-4 and put athletic freshmen at OLB. They'll probably do the same in 2013 and win again.



That was the problem most fans had with KK's play-calling. 3 down linemen is a run play all day long. I don't think that is a good strategy a second time around. But, by all means, please try that again. I won't complain.


having Eugene the RSFR nickelback playing in the box helped along with Sam and KeKe's speed. That's what kept Manzeil at bay. The speed of KeKe and Sam will not be there next year. Rasco is solid and Hunter may be, but I dont know if that athleticism and speed will be enough to contain Johnny next year.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:54 pm to
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Do I have to pull every single thread talking about how losing Michael Dyer was no big deal and that Tre Mason is a Thurmon Thomas/Barry Sanders/Walter Payton/Jerome Berris super hybrid, except better? My Auburn friends wrote the book on spinning a departure as a good thing








And look how that worked out for us

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14-0


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8-5


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3-9
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 3:58 pm to
You're reaching
Posted by LsuTool
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:00 pm to
now we are going 3-9

lol
Posted by lsu711
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:01 pm to
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I don't think that is a good strategy a second time around.


Why not? LSU has an army of undersized, but athletic linebackers who have proven they can keep Manziel from running around the backfield for 10 seconds before lobbing a pass to an open receiver.
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:01 pm to
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now we are going 3-9


I think he's talking about AU's record over that time period.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:03 pm to
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You're reaching


not saying you are going 3-9, just that a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. If you think losing NFL talent, helps your current team, then I just dont know what to tell ya

And your only deflection to a logical thought is, that I am an Auburn fan
This post was edited on 1/9/13 at 4:04 pm
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:03 pm to
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Do I have to pull every single thread talking about how losing Michael Dyer was no big deal and that Tre Mason is a Thurmon Thomas/Barry Sanders/Walter Payton/Jerome Bettis super hybrid, except better?

My Auburn friends wrote the book on spinning a departure as a good thing
But look how that panned out for Auburn - they were undefeated NChampions one year and two years later they finished winless in the SEC! Losing talented, experienced players can be dangerous for some teams. Lose them in large quantities and it can be really tough to overcome.

Not saying LSU will experience anything close to what happened to AU, because there were so many other factors that played into that AU debacle we just witnessed. But a team that's losing the numbers LSU is about to lose may have an impact on the production for '13. I'm sure Les has a plan though.
This post was edited on 1/9/13 at 4:05 pm
Posted by KaiserSoze99
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:06 pm to
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having Eugene the RSFR nickelback playing in the box helped along with Sam and KeKe's speed. That's what kept Manzeil at bay. The speed of KeKe and Sam will not be there next year. Rasco is solid and Hunter may be, but I dont know if that athleticism and speed will be enough to contain Johnny next year.

And they may be fast enough, but LSU will need to stay in man coverage with 4 DLs and a controlled pass rush. I think LSU has (or had) the best personnel of any team to do it and enough depth to stay fresh, but I don't think 3-4 or a dime package works again.
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:07 pm to
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And your only deflection to a logical thought is, that I am an Auburn fan


Actually, as one of the ringleaders of the "Dyer doesn't matter" brigade, I found it humorous that you are now lecturing people on how defections can hurt a program.

I, on the other hand, have a sterling reputation of pointing out how departures hurt. Check my posts on Tyrann Mathieu should you have any further inquiries.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:10 pm to
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as one of the ringleaders of the "Dyer doesn't matter" brigade
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
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Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:10 pm to
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9-3 at worst? You play Florida, Georgia, Alabama, A&M, and Ole Miss. There's 5 losses right there, not that I think LSU will lose every one, but it could happen.


You forgot Auburn

It is good that LSU is putting that many players in the NFL and I'm sure they will take advantage of this as a recruiting tool. But also losing large quantities of players in one year can hurt production the following season. I dont think LSU will have a bad season just not as good as the previous two IMO.
This post was edited on 1/9/13 at 4:11 pm
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:12 pm to
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:12 pm to
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not saying you are going 3-9, just that a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. If you think losing NFL talent, helps your current team, then I just dont know what to tell ya


Nobody is saying that at all. This is the first time you've seen LSU fans saying 9-3 is a real possibility going in in quite some time.

It is definitely a sign of a healthy program though.
Posted by LSUcdro
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 4:12 pm to
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The players love Les


But hate losing
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