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re: Delany: If you don't win your division, you can't win it all...
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:08 am to ThaKaptin
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:08 am to ThaKaptin
So basically bama first policy?
Having conference champs makes more sende then having teams that already layers each other.
If you are truly the best why would it matter who you play?
Having conference champs makes more sende then having teams that already layers each other.
If you are truly the best why would it matter who you play?
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:10 am to Dire Wolf
It's not a Bama 1st policy. If the 4 best teams happen to be from the PAC 12 one year then I would want those 4 teams to play in the playoff
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:10 am to ThaKaptin
Lobbying for a Conf. only format based on LSU getting nipped in New Orleans is short-sighted.
Almost a case of be careful what you pray for, LSU could find themselves as the odd man out in the near future.
Almost a case of be careful what you pray for, LSU could find themselves as the odd man out in the near future.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:12 am to ThaKaptin
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Yes, yes and yes
So the best team not on the east coast was always one of the 10 from the PAC?
So the best team not in the PAC was always on the east coast?
I will say it once again, A NC team might have played in the Rose bowl but the Rose bowl was not the deciding factor in determining the NC. And the 2 best teams in the country did NOT play in the Rose bowl
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That's how it was.
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Just most years.
So thats how it was but not all the time, sorry but your logic is highly skewed because you want some validation of Bama's claim to their Rose Bowl NC's
Listen I dont care if you claim them or not. But to say the Rose Bowl was the deciding factor in determining the NC is not true
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:13 am to KillianRussell
That would suck but we should have the won the games.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:17 am to NYCAuburn
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So the best team not on the east coast was always one of the 10 from the PAC?
As I said, not always
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So the best team not in the PAC was always on the east coast?
see above
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I will say it once again, A NC team might have played in the Rose bowl but the Rose bowl was not the deciding factor in determining the NC. And the 2 best teams in the country did NOT play in the Rose bowl
Most years, yes, it worked out to where they did. There were years when this was not true. But in years where it was, then the Rose Bowl was the deciding factor because... wait for it... the winner was the better team.
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So thats how it was but not all the time, sorry but your logic is highly skewed because you want some validation of Bama's claim to their Rose Bowl NC's
Alabama fans are not the only ones who feel this way I can assure you. Fans of teams who never even sniffed the NC during that time period though will say anything they can to discredit them. Especially when they are their in state rivals.
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Listen I dont care if you claim them or not. But to say the Rose Bowl was the deciding factor in determining the NC is not true
sure sure
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:20 am to KillianRussell
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Lobbying for a Conf. only format based on LSU getting nipped in New Orleans is short-sighted.
This has been going on for a lot longer than LSU-Bama....Many, including myself, were pissed when Nebraska got a shot vs Miami and a few years later EVERYONE outside of Norman was pissed when Oklahoma got a shot against LSU when it should have been USC.
Bama was just the first non-champion to win the title game. And it would have been unanimous disapproval last year if Stanford had gotten in the 4-team playoff over Oregon.
Personally, I've just always felt that a team that finishes #2 in its own conference technically cannot then be #1 in the entire nation. The two things just don't jive IMO, but I do acknowledge and understand the arguments about differeing conference strength, etc.
Therin lies why I like Delany's proposal...It is a compromise where both sides of the argument get a little of what they want.
This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 11:24 am
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:20 am to Dire Wolf
I want the top 6 rule or maybe top ten
How often is every conference champion in the top 6? More often then not their will be at least one at large.
What Bama were to win te sec and gets left out because auburn was considered the better team?
How often is every conference champion in the top 6? More often then not their will be at least one at large.
What Bama were to win te sec and gets left out because auburn was considered the better team?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:24 am to Dire Wolf
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That would suck but we should have the won the games.
If this happens, which it wont, but just for arguments sake, lets say it does, and LSU gets left out in a reverse situation of what happened this year, and in their place, a 9-3 team that won the Big 10 by beating a 7-5 POS in their championship, gets to play for the hardware, I am gonna laugh my arse off at you and every idiot that wished for this shite.
But you dont have to worry, if you get laughed at, it wont be for that because it will never happen.
It will be for Les Miles seasoning his grass with his dandruff or some stupid shite like that.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:24 am to KillianRussell
These idiots want to cut off their nose to spite their face.. It would be worth it to me to stuff the '11 crystal football into the crying, whining LSU fans collective mouth like a pacifier to shut them up and keep them from ruining the SECs dominant position in college football.. Not that they could..
This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 11:29 am
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:25 am to ThaKaptin
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So thats how it was but not all the time, sorry but your logic is highly skewed because you want some validation of Bama's claim to their Rose Bowl NC's
You do realize that teams like Notre Dame, USC, and Michigan also claim national championships in the pre-AP era simply because they won the Rose Bowl that year, don't you? Alabama isn't the only school that does this. If you think they are then you are just an idiot who is beyond any hope of reason.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:26 am to ThaKaptin
A 9-3 team wouldn't have made because wouldn't be jn the top 6
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:27 am to Dire Wolf
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What Bama were to win te sec and gets left out because auburn was considered the better team?
Grammatically this made absolutely no sense.
Coincidentally it also made no logical sense either them moment the word Auburn was introduced.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:27 am to Dire Wolf
Anyone ever notice that you don't have to win your division or your conference in basketball to have a chance and it works out just fine?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:27 am to getback
I don't give a frick about the SEC dominant position
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:27 am to ThaKaptin
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But in years where it was, then the Rose Bowl was the deciding factor because... wait for it... the winner was the better team.
Exactly, the team might be the NC but the Rose bowl invite/win was not the reason they got the NC, yes if they lost they would not have got the NC. But if they would have won another bowl they could have got the NC
The Rose Bowl was not the National Championship game, sometimes or all the time, no matter how much you want to believe. The game might have contained a national champion, but the Rose Bowl itself was not the deciding factor that made it so
For example 1927, illinois, the number one team in the country did not go to the rose bowl. The rose bowl was between Stanford, who didnt even have the best record in the conference, and the no. 2 team pitt,
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:29 am to RollTide1987
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You do realize that teams like Notre Dame, USC, and Michigan also claim national championships in the pre-AP era simply because they won the Rose Bowl that year, don't you? Alabama isn't the only school that does this. If you think they are then you are just an idiot who is beyond any hope of reason.
it wasnt simply because they won the rose bowl
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:30 am to NYCAuburn
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it wasnt simply because they won the rose bowl
Do you have any link or other information to back this up? Or are you claiming that their title claims pre-AP are legit while Alabama's are very suspect and unreliable claims?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:32 am to JPLSU1981
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JPLSU1981
Delany: If you don't win your division, you can't win it all...
Honestly, I don't think Delany is proposing a "don't win your division and you're out" clause...I just think that comment was played up by itself making it appear that he's proposing that.
His actual proposal is pretty simple....Top 4 conference champions are in the playoff as long as they are in the top6. If all four spots aren't filled, then the highest ranked non champion(s) will fill the remaining slots.
And what if the #1 team in the country gets left out?
For example, a preseason #1 Florida loses to Tennessee early in September. Florida has plenty of time left in the season to work their way back up to #1. In the meantime, Tennessee loses to Alabama and an OOC team. They have two losses, but they go to Atlanta and beat a one loss Alabama or LSU. A two loss Tennessee is the SEC champion. One loss champions from the Pac, B1G, Big 12, and ACC are ranked 2, 3, 4, and 5. Florida, the #1 team in the country, gets left out.
Just take the top four teams, period. If you're going to use polls and computers to put the B1G in and the Big East out, then just use those same polls and computers to determine the top 4 teams.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:34 am to RollTide1987
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Or are you claiming that their title claims pre-AP are legit while Alabama's are very suspect and unreliable claims?
I never once said this.
My point that you guys seem to not grasp is the Rose Bowl was not the NC game. It was a bowl to put the Pac(1 of 10 teams) against a team from the East coast.
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