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Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:00 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Bama will finish the season having faced 8 teams who won 8 games or more. 11 of 13 teams are Bowl eligible. Ohio State has only played 3 teams with 8 or more wins, and they lost one of them.
This is about as arbitrary as you can get on your cutoff. Ranked teams played as of today Bama and OSU are probably both 1-1.
The way OSU played last weekend, sure they could beat anyone. They sure as f didn't play like that for the whole season though
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:01 pm to Gritshack
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cowherd is seldom right. He says whatever he thinks he'd need to in order to get a reaction. So no, Cowherd isn't right.
People need to realize that Cowherd is nothing more than Finebaum with a national platform and better hair. He's in the business of bringing in ratings for his employers. Period. He (and Finebaum) will say whatever it takes to increase dissent, drive calls and attention, and pump up ratings. Nobody with half a brain who understands college football thinks that Ohio State has played a better, tougher schedule than Alabama. Not even Cowherd. He's just trolling on a national basis.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:02 pm to sugatowng
Ohio Stat has wins over
3-10 Hawaii (UR)
3-9 Maryland (UR)
4-8 Rutgers (UR)
5-7 Minnesota (UR)
5-7 Illinois (UR)
6-6 Virginia Tech (UR)
6-6 Indiana (UR)
7-5 Penn State (UR)
7-5 Western Michigan (UR)
8-4 Northern Illinois (UR)
9-3 Michigan (#19)
Ha, is this a serious conversation? Their 2nd best win is either Northern Illinois or Penn State. Their 4th best win is either Western Michigan or Indiana.
GTFOH
3-10 Hawaii (UR)
3-9 Maryland (UR)
4-8 Rutgers (UR)
5-7 Minnesota (UR)
5-7 Illinois (UR)
6-6 Virginia Tech (UR)
6-6 Indiana (UR)
7-5 Penn State (UR)
7-5 Western Michigan (UR)
8-4 Northern Illinois (UR)
9-3 Michigan (#19)
Ha, is this a serious conversation? Their 2nd best win is either Northern Illinois or Penn State. Their 4th best win is either Western Michigan or Indiana.
GTFOH
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I like the whoe he has on the show.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:04 pm to AA7
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There it is
Maybe you didn't catch the sarcastic smiley at the end.
Stats are great, emotions run high, rivalries are intense... but at the end of the day, the score is what counts. We didn't do our job, handed them some turnovers, and they capitalized. I wish we hadn't have given them five turnovers, but that's all part of the game and the score reflected it. Sah-loot, Ole Miss.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:05 pm to iglass
I also like the "Big Ten has 3 really good teams this year" argument somehow helping Ohio State considering they are 0-1 against those teams.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:06 pm to Buckeye06
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This is about as arbitrary as you can get on your cutoff. Ranked teams played as of today Bama and OSU are probably both 1-1.
The way OSU played last weekend, sure they could beat anyone. They sure as f didn't play like that for the whole season though
How is that at all arbitrary? Our strength of schedule is far greater than OSU. How about teams with winning records? Would that be less arbitrary? How about opponent total win/loss records? OSU's schedule has been Charmin soft.
ETA: OSU has played NINE (9) teams with fewer than 8 wins. 5 of those teams have losing records.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:06 pm to Pbhog
I've dropped deuces more useful the cowherd.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:06 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Good point. Didn't think about that. Maybe because they played Michigan State to the end and Sparty needed a miracle.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:06 pm to RB10
Oklahoma is better than Alabama according to cowherd
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:07 pm to Tuscaloosa
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How is that at all arbitrary? Our strength of schedule is far greater than OSU. How about teams with winning records? Would that be less arbitrary? How about opponent total win/loss records? OSU's schedule has been Charmin soft.
By any metric you want to use Alabama (and pretty much everyone else in the discussion) has had a better schedule than OSU. You can argue with me about Oklahoma or Clemson's schedule vs Alabama's, that is defensible. Ohio State is not.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:07 pm to iglass
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Maybe you didn't catch the sarcastic smiley at the end.
I believe you are the one who missed this, good sir.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:11 pm to AA7
The only way you can defend Michigan being a very good 3 loss team is by using advanced metrics like F+. And, if you do that, then you have to also use it to note the that Alabama has roughly 3/4 of their schedule in the Top 40 of F+. Or you could say Michigan had a good SOS according to Sagarin, Massey, FPI, etc. Well, same problem. And all of that trouble is to just get you to Ohio State's only win that is better than #45-50.
So, yea, pretty indefensible argument.
So, yea, pretty indefensible argument.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:12 pm to Pbhog
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Pbhog
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:12 pm to piggilicious
Pbhogsessed
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:17 pm to Tuscaloosa
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How is that at all arbitrary? Our strength of schedule is far greater than OSU. How about teams with winning records? Would that be less arbitrary? How about opponent total win/loss records? OSU's schedule has been Charmin soft.
It's arbitrary because one team could play 10 teams with 8-4 records and 3 teams with 4-8 records while the other team could play 5 teams with 10-2 records and 7 with 4-8 records (the math may not be right). You would say "Team A has played 10 teams with 8 or more wins" and I would say yea they have played 10 slightly better than average teams, while Team B has played 5 teams who are actually good (based on record) but only 5 teams with 8+ wins
I am not saying OSU's schedule is better than Bama's because it isn't. I am saying Bama fans weren't happy when Okie State fans brought this up in 2011 and are not using it as evidence their way
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:26 pm to sugatowng
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Ever notice how teams that Bama beats become unranked a few weeks later? They get pretty beat up.
For example, Wisconsin was #20. After Bama, they played no ranked teams until November 21. Iowa was unranked when they played, and the final score was 10-6.
A&M was #9 until the Bama beating. Injured starting QB.
LSU was destroying everyone and #2 until Bama.
Maybe it's the physical grind of playing Bama that makes teams lose?
Somebody offer up some theories.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:28 pm to Buckeye06
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It's arbitrary because one team could play 10 teams with 8-4 records and 3 teams with 4-8 records while the other team could play 5 teams with 10-2 records and 7 with 4-8 records (the math may not be right). You would say "Team A has played 10 teams with 8 or more wins" and I would say yea they have played 10 slightly better than average teams, while Team B has played 5 teams who are actually good (based on record) but only 5 teams with 8+ wins
But Ohio State didn't play 3 really good teams and 9 bad teams. They have played 1 really good team (10+ wins) (who they lost to), 1 pretty good team (8-9 wins, Power 5) and 10 average to bad teams.
Alabama has played 4-5 pretty good teams (8-9 wins) and 7-8 average to bad teams.
This isn't an argument. Ohio State's schedule is clearly the worst of all the playoff possibles.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:29 pm to KaiserSoze99
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Somebody offer up some theories.
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