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re: Could Saban make it at a school like Vanderbilt or Kentucky?
Posted on 9/14/18 at 4:09 pm to Rabern57
Posted on 9/14/18 at 4:09 pm to Rabern57
quote:Agreed you could put any retarded monkey at Alabama and they would smash innumerable wins records, beat more top 10 teams than anyone ever, win 5 National championships and 5 SEC titles in 9 years, and establish the undisputed greatest dynasty of all time. Of course. Anyone can do it.
Most coaches would win that much with that many players and playing the bottom of the East every year.
I'm just glad Alabama is inherently that awesome and doesn't need Saban
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 4:09 pm
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Posted on 9/14/18 at 4:11 pm to Rabern57
Yo Shug.....do you know that recruiting is a huge part of college football...you're such a DA then again you're a barner.....part of that tradition down in lee county
1 NC in 50 years...same as BYU,GT,and Colorado
1 NC in 50 years...same as BYU,GT,and Colorado
Posted on 9/14/18 at 4:12 pm to genro
quote:Bama needs the ability to hand out chargers without the NCAA doing anything more than they need Saban. That's why neither were seeing #1 classes before that. Even Freeze was beating Saban with a few top recruits by cheating. So it makes a big difference.
I'm just glad Alabama is inherently that awesome and doesn't need Saban
Put Freeze at Bama and tell him he can cheat all he wants and he would destroy anything Saban has done.
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 9/14/18 at 4:15 pm to Shane4689
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Could Saban make it at a school like Vanderbilt or Kentucky?
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I bet without having a name brand school to help in recruiting he wouldn't last long.
Bear Bryant before Alabama
1945 1st year as HC anywhere
1949 5th year as a HC, UK went 9-3 and lost the Orange Bowl
1950 6th year as a HC, UK went 11-1 and won the Sugar Bowl
1951 7th year as a HC, UK went 8-4 and won the Cotten Bowl
1954 1st year as TAMU HC, went 1-9
1956 3rd year as TAMU HC, went 9-0-1, beat LSU, beat AR, beat Utx, won SWC
Posted on 9/14/18 at 4:15 pm to Rabern57
Next time just start with BAMMERS ARE CHEATUN PAWL instead of getting everything else wrong until that's all you are left with. It looks a little better that way
Posted on 9/14/18 at 4:16 pm to Shane4689
Okay, because nobody is going to be rational except for a few of us nerds:
If James Franklin could elevate Vandy, Saban absolutely could. But he wouldn't have the talent to regularly contend for national titles. However, that's true of every damned coach in the country. People like to pretend that Saban is the only one benefiting from talent, but let me tell you something from a life-long Vandy fan's world-weary perspective -- LSU? Auburn? Georgia? Even currently down programs like UT and UF? Y'all have an absolute frickload of talent to work with that we'll never have and the practical difference between the talent of any of the top programs isn't nearly as huge as people like to pretend. The fact of the matter is, it takes more than just a bunch of talent lying around to win multiple national titles, and great coaching alone won't do it either. Football is a game of schemes and interlocking parts and positions shoring each other up. Saban could certainly implement those here. But neither Saban nor Gus nor O not Smart nor Urban nor...well, pick your favorite coach...could make Vandy a regular CFP threat simply because so many things would have to go our way just to make us a one-time threat. But if I had to take one, it'd sure as hell be Saban.
Or Cutcliffe. I like me some Cutcliffe.
If James Franklin could elevate Vandy, Saban absolutely could. But he wouldn't have the talent to regularly contend for national titles. However, that's true of every damned coach in the country. People like to pretend that Saban is the only one benefiting from talent, but let me tell you something from a life-long Vandy fan's world-weary perspective -- LSU? Auburn? Georgia? Even currently down programs like UT and UF? Y'all have an absolute frickload of talent to work with that we'll never have and the practical difference between the talent of any of the top programs isn't nearly as huge as people like to pretend. The fact of the matter is, it takes more than just a bunch of talent lying around to win multiple national titles, and great coaching alone won't do it either. Football is a game of schemes and interlocking parts and positions shoring each other up. Saban could certainly implement those here. But neither Saban nor Gus nor O not Smart nor Urban nor...well, pick your favorite coach...could make Vandy a regular CFP threat simply because so many things would have to go our way just to make us a one-time threat. But if I had to take one, it'd sure as hell be Saban.
Or Cutcliffe. I like me some Cutcliffe.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 4:17 pm to Shane4689
Don Mullen will be a good case study.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 4:44 pm to genro
quote:I got nothing wrong. Bama fans can't see logic so you eventually have to simplify it to why they actually win and just ignore them. They think if they all pile on anyone saying anything they don't like and agree with each other that it makes them right and everyone else wrong.
Next time just start with BAMMERS ARE CHEATUN PAWL instead of getting everything else wrong until that's all you are left with. It looks a little better that way
If Saban can't beat everyone he plays with the most talent in the nation then he isn't going to beat enough to matter at a school where he won't be able to get alot of talent. It's as simple as that and that's what the OP asked.
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 9/14/18 at 5:01 pm to Shane4689
What do you mean "make it?"
Win a NC, hell no. Those schools can't win NCs. Vandy doesn't give a damn about winning a NC, neither does UK. You need more than a great HC to win a NC, you need an athletic department willing to spare no expense to give that coach everything he needs to succeed.
You ever seen Vandy's endowment? It's five times larger than LSU's. Vandy could pay cash for a cutting edge stadium on par with any stadium in the country, but look at the dump they play in. Vandy has the financial resources, but has no desire to use them for football.
He'd definitely have them with a winning record every year and challenge for the division title every few years.
Win a NC, hell no. Those schools can't win NCs. Vandy doesn't give a damn about winning a NC, neither does UK. You need more than a great HC to win a NC, you need an athletic department willing to spare no expense to give that coach everything he needs to succeed.
You ever seen Vandy's endowment? It's five times larger than LSU's. Vandy could pay cash for a cutting edge stadium on par with any stadium in the country, but look at the dump they play in. Vandy has the financial resources, but has no desire to use them for football.
He'd definitely have them with a winning record every year and challenge for the division title every few years.
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 9/14/18 at 5:10 pm to Shane4689
he made it at Lsu so my answer is yet
Posted on 9/14/18 at 5:38 pm to Shane4689
depends on what you mean by "make it". He could do pretty well at Kentucky. Vandy isn't in the SEC to compete athletically, so it's moot point.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 5:44 pm to Shane4689
LSU the reason I believe saban is a great coach they finish in top 5 recuiting almost every year and haven't finish in top 5 since 2011
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 9/14/18 at 5:58 pm to Goldrush25
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You ever seen Vandy's endowment? It's five times larger than LSU's. Vandy could pay cash for a cutting edge stadium on par with any stadium in the country, but look at the dump they play in.
Do you understand how an endowment works?
Wealthy guy gives money that goes into a fund that is invested (hopefully) to grow but to throw off some income every year to spend. These funds are usually heavily restricted in what they can be used for. Things like subsidizing professors via chairs and subsidizing student via scholarships. Mostly it is restricted to the dedicated mission of educating students but some may go to research projects.
They do not go to the non primary mission of athletics.
Vanderbilt could have a 10 million endowment but restrictions in place means not a single penny could go to building new football facilities.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 6:00 pm to Shane4689
Bryant won an SEC Title at UK. That was a long time ago though.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 6:04 pm to Shane4689
No
Posted on 9/14/18 at 6:14 pm to genro
He's averaged at least one loss a year, which is just loser material. Fire him now!
Posted on 9/14/18 at 6:29 pm to Shane4689
Obviously he wouldn’t have his current level of success. But many coaches have coached top tier programs and not approached his success. There are are different kinds of coaches. Some can get a lot out of little talent but can’t recruit or handle top players. Some recruit but can’t coach. Saban is perfect at doing what you have to do at Alabama which is what Alabama pays him for.
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 9/14/18 at 6:32 pm to Shane4689
I do not think Vandy or UK would allow Saban free rein of the program. Vandy is not a win at all cost school and UK wouldn't allow a football coach have that authority.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 6:39 pm to Shane4689
Vandy’s problem is not coaching or academics. Vandy’s problem is the leftist administration and the policies they implement to keep football in the closet. I should know, I am a long time Vandy fan who has seen the light.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 7:20 pm to morriscat2
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Vandy’s problem is not coaching or academics. Vandy’s problem is the leftist administration and the policies they implement to keep football in the closet. I should know, I am a long time Vandy fan who has seen the light.
Eesh. Would you say that light had a sort of tin-like quality to it?
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