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Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:27 pm to Datfish
If I had 13 toes, spaghetti would taste like potato!!
Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:30 pm to pvilleguru
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So you didn't want them to hire one of the NCAA's most respected referees to oversee the SEC's referees?
If you believe its important enough to have a policy that doesn't allow graduates of a university to ref that school's games, it seems you should not allow a graduate of a school to supervise all officials who, at some point, will have to call those games. You don't find it contradictory?
Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:30 pm to bamafan1001
I have said for years, that officials should be NCAA employees and not used as teams too. Same group should not officiate together every week. They end up eating meals together, traveling together so will let their "friends" at that point get away with more bad calls.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:31 pm to LSUgrad88
Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:33 pm to LSUgrad88
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But interestingly, the SEC supervisor of officials, the one all officials answer to, is allowed to be a graduate of an SEC school. Seems just a tad contradictory.
He earned that position by establishing himself as one of the best officials in the game over a period of many years.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:34 pm to GobyGator
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They end up eating meals together, traveling together so will let their "friends" at that point get away with more bad calls
Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:35 pm to LSUgrad88
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You don't find it contradictory?
No. What exactly do you think Shaw's duties are? His job is to review film from every game and every crew. Each week, he consults with the different crews and provides feedback for calls made and calls missed. he also monitors, but does not intervene, with the replay officials for the same reason. he watches how they rule on replay reviews and then provides feedback as to the calls they made. He also works with the NCAA each year regarding rule changes. I don't think you realize how ridiculous some of you sound right now.
Here is a brief synopsis of his day-to-day duties LINK
Now you tell me how him having gone to Alabama matters
Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:35 pm to lsufball19
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What do you think he does? Watches all the Alabama games and their future opponents' games and radios down to the guys on the field when he thinks a fix is in order?
No, I think he probably does a good job. The rule against allowing referees to not do games of schools they graduated from is done to prevent the perception (rightly or wrongly) that they would favor their alma mater. It seems the same reasoning should apply to the supervisor of officials as well. Doesn't seem terribly complicated to me.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:38 pm to LSUgrad88
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No, I think he probably does a good job. The rule against allowing referees to not do games of schools they graduated from is done to prevent the perception (rightly or wrongly) that they would favor their alma mater. It seems the same reasoning should apply to the supervisor of officials as well. Doesn't seem terribly complicated to me.
Why though? What do you think he would do that would benefit Alabama?
Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:38 pm to LSUgrad88
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It seems the same reasoning should apply to the supervisor of officials as well. Doesn't seem terribly complicated to me.
Give me an example of how his having attended Alabama would have an effect on what his actual job description is and what his responsibilities are and how it would present a possible conflict of interests.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:41 pm to Bham Bammer
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He earned that position by establishing himself as one of the best officials in the game over a period of many years.
I never said he's not qualified or he's done anything biased that I know of. It just follows if officials are disallowed from being able to ref their alma mater's games, their supervisor should be held to the same standard. I have to imagine there is at least one qualified former official who did not graduate from a SEC member institution.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:42 pm to Datfish
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Why should an Alabama alum officiate an Alabama game?
Steve Shaw and Tom Ritter(known Bama graduate and donor) referee every single Bama game!!
Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:43 pm to LSUgrad88
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their supervisor should be held to the same standard
the supervisor doesn't referee games. it would probably do you some good to take a look at what Shaw's job description is. Nothing he does has any affect on the outcome of games.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:44 pm to LSUgrad88
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It just follows if officials are disallowed from being able to ref their alma mater's games, their supervisor should be held to the same standard
The difference is that he can't directly affect the outcome of any game.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:47 pm to lsufball19
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Give me an example of how his having attended Alabama would have an effect on what his actual job description is and what his responsibilities are and how it would present a possible conflict of interests.
Seriously? Are you this obtuse? He reviews the officials and assigns which games they work. I want to be clear I don't for a minute think Steve Shaw is playing any games like this, but don't act like he couldn't have an effect.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:50 pm to Datfish
They don't. And that has been true for a long time.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:52 pm to LSUgrad88
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Seriously? Are you this obtuse? He reviews the officials and assigns which games they work. I want to be clear I don't for a minute think Steve Shaw is playing any games like this, but don't act like he couldn't have an effect.
If it's so simple, it shouldn't be hard to give me an example of how Steve Shaw can affect the outcome of a game as a coordinator of officials that has no say in calls that are made curing games. And if you don't think Shaw is doing anything wrong, then wtf are we talking about?
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:53 pm to LSUgrad88
I remember from 1983 Penn St. beat Bama in Happy Valley where Bama led by Walter Lewis et al., marched down the field in the waning minutes only to have TE Preston Gothard called out of the end zone on a go ahead catch. Controversial replay, looked borderline like he had it.
The ref was the uncle of former PSU RB Mike Guman. He is the figure being stopped in the famous "Goal Line Stand" Danial Moore painting.
People were questioning him being the ref for that game.
The ref was the uncle of former PSU RB Mike Guman. He is the figure being stopped in the famous "Goal Line Stand" Danial Moore painting.
People were questioning him being the ref for that game.
Posted on 10/23/18 at 1:58 pm to scrooster
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There really does need to be a better system of checks and balances in this Conference though. There have been too many times when officials have had too much influence in key matchups. It's difficult to imagine at times that they are all just coincidental.
But refs have that same influence in every game. If they didn't, there wouldn't be much point to having refs. I suspect selection bias in your observation. Refs have enormous influence in Vandy/Kentucky games (they did in our last game, and I don't disagree with the call) but since it's not a "key" matchup, nobody bothers to talk about it, which means the LSU/MSU game, for instance, seems like an outlier rather than the norm. But it's completely normal for refs to make calls that have a major influence. Hell, if LSU was playing some G5 school next instead of Bama, this entire affair would have whimpered out by Sunday evening, even on Tiger Rant because, well, bad calls happen.
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