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re: Conference Expansion - VA Tech
Posted on 3/29/13 at 2:42 pm to TheSandman
Posted on 3/29/13 at 2:42 pm to TheSandman
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VT doesn't need the SEC.
Why don't you get TheSand out of your vagina.
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 2:43 pm to TheSandman
VT needs the Big 12 so they can renew the WVU rivalry.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 2:46 pm to Indfanfromcol
Well played 
Posted on 3/29/13 at 2:49 pm to Tiger Live2
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They have NO history. They won't get a coach to come there that will win. I doubt Beamer would still be there if he wasn't alum.
Maybe saying a poor mans MSU is too far. How about a poor mans Ole Miss. Once Beamer leaves they will be NOTHING. Duke has at least proven you can win there. VT has only proven you can lose to every good they play. How is that so difficult to understand
Dude, you're the one that is having trouble getting it.
Their past history has NOTHING to do with expansion. If it did, Mizzou (sorry no flame) would not be in the SEC.
Saying they don't or won't have the money to hire a good coach is asinine when they are already in the top 30 for HC salary and would stand to make a ton more money in the SEC.
The only things that matter are that they have a large enough fanbase to carry the state of Virgina and the DC market for the SEC Network, that they have the will and ability to put money into football, and that their school is good enough academically it can be sold to the pointy headed school presidents.
How is that so difficult to understand?
Posted on 3/29/13 at 2:49 pm to TheSandman
Posted on 3/29/13 at 2:50 pm to Tiger Live2
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VT needs the Big 12 so they can renew the WVU rivalry.
I wouldn't be surprised to see us go independent if the ACC ever breaks up.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 2:52 pm to Dr RC
You should learn to read. Not once did I say they didn't add markets, or didn't have the money to pay coaches.
I'm done arguing with a fool that doesn't even understand what has been said.
I'm done arguing with a fool that doesn't even understand what has been said.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 3:03 pm to Tiger Live2
you have ever shifting reasoning as to why they shouldn't be allowed.
first its all their other sports suck and have no fans.
when its shown they bring in more for basketball than several other SEC schools and can get to above 10k you say the football team will suck once Beamer is gone.
When that gets blown up by pointing out ANY school can collapse with the wrong hire you still refuse to believe they can get a good coach which implies they won't have the money to do so. (after all, lack of money is pretty much the only thing that would stop them from hiring another coach who is at least as good as Beamer)
When THAT is proven wrong by simply looking up Beamer's salary, their AD revenues, and factoring in the increased money from the SECN you attack their history which is funny b/c Mizzou is currently residing in the SEC East.
how can anyone follow an argument that is constantly shifting?
This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 3/29/13 at 3:13 pm to Pain Don't Hurt
Would prefer to see UNC and UVA than VPI.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 3:24 pm to secwalrus
no way no how that UVA and North Carolina are coming, and they are TERRIBLE fits for the SEC anyways....
If Virginia and North Carolina go anywhere, it will be to the Big 10
Virginia Tech is a much better fit for the SEC...
Culturally, Louisville, Clemson, FSU, and Virginia Tech are excellent fits....
market-wise for the new network, Virginia Tech and NC State are probably the next choices in line....
If Virginia and North Carolina go anywhere, it will be to the Big 10
Virginia Tech is a much better fit for the SEC...
Culturally, Louisville, Clemson, FSU, and Virginia Tech are excellent fits....
market-wise for the new network, Virginia Tech and NC State are probably the next choices in line....
Posted on 3/29/13 at 3:34 pm to EvilVodka
You're on crack if you think NCSU is a better add for the SEC than UNC.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 3:50 pm to EvilVodka
Agreed that VA Tech is a better fit, but UNC and UVA could hopefully raise the level of culture in the SEC.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 4:13 pm to BossaGator
NCSU and Va Tech is the most realistic scenerio...would love UNC but they ain't going anywhere w/out Duke and that won't fly with the SEC.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 4:51 pm to RD Dawg
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NCSU and Va Tech is the most realistic scenerio...would love UNC but they ain't going anywhere w/out Duke and that won't fly with the SEC.
So you are telling me that they'd rather die together than prosper apart? They won't be together -- not in the B1G, not in the SEC. So North Carolina is basically supposed to martyr themselves for Duke -- while letting another huge rival on Tobacco Road join the SEC and make both of them it's eternal bitch?
No rivalry means that much. In reality, North Carolina wanted to package itself with UVA -- not duke -- until it became clear to them that UVA was B1G bound and the vast majority of their fanbase and support structure opposed that move. Everything you hear right now about them being a package deal is posturing. End of the day, Duke will be B1G and UNC will be SEC. Series continues. Everyone happy.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 5:09 pm to RD Dawg
I don't think the SEC decision makers would be that averse to Duke, and I think UNC's unwillingness to go anywhere w/o Duke is way overblown.
That said I don't think Duke is as good a fit for the SEC as VT, and I say that as a Duke alum who loves the SEC.
That said I don't think Duke is as good a fit for the SEC as VT, and I say that as a Duke alum who loves the SEC.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 5:23 pm to engie
They're not making themselves a martyr...not by a long shot.Basketball rules the roost @ UNC and any major decision is going to be driven by it. They are not going to break up the most prolific rivalry in NCAA basketball. Across the board college TV ratings during the regular season are getting progressively worse with rare exceptions and UNC vs Duke is one of 'em.
UNC is looking out for it's best interest and playing Duke at least 2 times is in their best interest. They couldn't GAS about their rivalary with NCSU.
UNC is looking out for it's best interest and playing Duke at least 2 times is in their best interest. They couldn't GAS about their rivalary with NCSU.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 6:02 pm to RD Dawg
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They're not making themselves a martyr...
They are if they stay in a dead ACC(most likely to end up in the MAC or new Big East) with Duke.
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Basketball rules the roost @ UNC and any major decision is going to be driven by it.
This is incorrect. Basketball is VERY important to UNC. NO doubt. But to say that it "rules the roost" is categorically incorrect. They've spent $120 million on their football stadium in the past 6 years in 2 different expansion phases, with a 3rd stage planned that will probably cost another $100 million. With the 2(in place) expansions, UNC now makes significantly more money on football than basketball -- a gap that will become enormous in stage 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenan_Memorial_Stadium
UNC basketball revenue(2011) - $20 million
UNC basketball profit(2011) - $14 Million
This is LESS valuable than JUST the additional TV revenue they would get in the SEC or B1G.
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They are not going to break up the most prolific rivalry in NCAA basketball. Across the board college TV ratings during the regular season are getting progressively worse with rare exceptions and UNC vs Duke is one of 'em.
Who said anything about "breaking up" the rivalry? This situation is different than the aTm/Texas and Mizzou/Kansas breakups -- in that both teams will likely be leaving and there will be no hard feelings. That rivalry will almost certainly continue.
By my count, almost 50% of the best/fiercest college basketball rivalries are already OOC games -- especially with Syracuse now on the move.
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UNC is looking out for it's best interest and playing Duke at least 2 times is in their best interest. They couldn't GAS about their rivalary with NCSU.
On the first statement -- that's ridiculous. You telling me it's worth giving up $15-30 mil/yr to play a team one additional time?
They CERTAINLY care about their rivalry with NC State too. If you polled the entire UNC fanbase, they would tell you that either NC State or Virginia is their biggest overall rival. You are simply buying what ESPN is selling you on the pageantry of the "Duke/UNC rivalry" -- which has only even been on the radar for about 2 decades now. It's a great rivalry, no doubt...and ONE of the best in college sports for many reasons... But you are sadly mistaken if you don't think UNC/Kentucky has JUST as much potential...
This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 3/29/13 at 7:12 pm to engie
You are absolutley insane if you think the UNC fan base would tell you NCSU or UVA is a bigger rival than Duke...perhaps as absurd a statement as I'v ever read on this board.
They could and would take a package deal to the Big 10 in a heartbeat.
UNC is not going to end up in the SEC,no way in hell.
The big money alums at UNC have always been heavily weighed to the basketball side.
Of course they made a commitment to CFB...Its still a lucrative proposistion to them no matter if they wind up Big 10,12 etc. UNC and their TV market is the biggest prize left in the ACC
They could and would take a package deal to the Big 10 in a heartbeat.
UNC is not going to end up in the SEC,no way in hell.
The big money alums at UNC have always been heavily weighed to the basketball side.
Of course they made a commitment to CFB...Its still a lucrative proposistion to them no matter if they wind up Big 10,12 etc. UNC and their TV market is the biggest prize left in the ACC
Posted on 3/29/13 at 7:23 pm to RD Dawg
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You are absolutley insane if you think the UNC fan base would tell you NCSU or UVA is a bigger rival than Duke...perhaps as absurd a statement as I'v ever read on this board.
You're wrong -- and if you don't believe it, go ask any UNC fan over the age of 40(the ones writing all the checks).
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They could and would take a package deal to the Big 10 in a heartbeat.
No, they can't -- and won't. This is another ridiculous line of bs. The B1G is market-driven expansion JUST like the SEC is. They aren't going to cut the revenue in half in order to add the second team. Factual whether or not you understand or believe it.
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UNC is not going to end up in the SEC,no way in hell.
The big money alums at UNC have always been heavily weighed to the basketball side.
Better go inform them of that -- because the OVERWHELMING majority of their fanbase prefers the SEC 10/1 over the B1G. Proof
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Of course they made a commitment to CFB...Its still a lucrative proposistion to them no matter if they wind up Big 10,12 etc. UNC and their TV market is the biggest prize left in the ACC
Exactly. UNC. And their market. Duke has almost zero value in a "package deal" with UNC. In fact, they end up costing the conference money in that scenario. Hence why Duke is only valuable in any way SPLIT from UNC.
This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 7:25 pm
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