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re: Comparing Saban and Kirby's first 7 years. From Twitter....
Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:38 am to dawgfan24348
Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:38 am to dawgfan24348
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Saban also came into Bama without having to deal with a coach on the scale of well Saban. Without Saban Kirby is on the verge of winning his third and potentially fourth natty depending on how the 2018 SECCG and playoffs went
Urban Meyer was that coach.
Saban ran him out of the SEC in 3 years.
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:38 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:39 am to dawgfan24348
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Without Saban Kirby is on the verge of winning his third and potentially fourth natty depending on how the 2018 SECCG and playoffs went
Without Saban he’s still at Valdosta State.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:40 am to dawgfan24348
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Dude the west fricking sucked until 2011, before that all it was Saban and Les falling arse backwards into a natty
LSU won the national championship in 2007.
Florida won the national championship in 2008.
Alabama won the national championship in 2009.
Auburn won the national championship in 2010.
Both Alabama and LSU played for the national championship in 2011.
You are stupid.
It's funny you mention falling arse backwards into a natty when the only NC Kirby has is that.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 10:41 am
Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:40 am to 3down10
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Half the truth is often the greatest lie.
I'm listening.
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It starts out by not applying the context of the teams they took over. Kirby took over what was basically team that finished in the top10 year after year, had top10 recruiting classes, etc.
It quotes "SEC Record". Which is a bunch of bull shite because Georgia plays in the SEC East and Alabama plays in the SEC West. Those aren't really comparable records. The SEC West was fricking stacked hardcore in Saban's first 7 seasons.
Well, that is a melt if I have ever seen one.
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It's just lacking context, aka half the truth
You seem oblivious to the fact that half of the SEC is below average.
East. West. The bottom halves are mediocre.
Keep the tears coming.
They go well with my breakfast biscuits.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:40 am to 3down10
Saban is the best all time, no question
Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:46 am to meansonny
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You seem oblivious to the fact that half of the SEC is below average.
East. West. The bottom halves are mediocre.
Keep the tears coming.
They go well with my breakfast biscuits.
You do understand it's comparing the first 7 years, not the last 7 years right?
Meaning, it's comparing a time period in which the SEC West produced 3 different national championship teams and won the SEC in 6 of the 7 years for Saban.
Vs the SEC East of the past 7 years for Kirby.
If you think those things are equal, then don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:50 am to jryanw
quote:Honestly? Saban has done it for so long, I'm not sure even then it would be debatable. Maybe. It would be getting much closer, but...I don't know. I have an awful lot or respect for what Saban has done. It's not a short term thing. People can have short term success, but sustaining it year after year is the tough part. Meyer did well in short spurts, but could not sustain it without having stretches in between.
I agree. This is a very fair assessment. Y’all should win this year so if he can get one more in the next 3 years it’ll be debatable.
Maybe Kirby can do it. We'll see. The bad thing is, fans typically don't fully understand how good a stretch is until after it's over. I played for a high school coach tat reached 300 wins at the youngest age in the state of Georgia.(At the time. I don't know if anybody has eclipsed it yet) Everybody knew he was good, but I don't think anybody fully appreciated him until after his death.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:01 am to DawgsLife
Did you play for Campbell?
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:07 am to WilliamTaylor21
quote:Southwest Georgia boosters have a LOT le$$ money since Fatboy Kirby went to Georgia..
A1abana hasn’t had a defense since Kirby left and they have 1 legitimate championship without him!
Of course, Alabama boosters have even less money since Sabam has been there a few year$ further..
together these lowlife pathetic excuses for football coache$ have destroyed college football forever..
Thanks a lot, little men. You seem to have gotten away with it.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:08 am to 3down10
So you proved my point, you whine about Kirby being in the East but the West wasn’t really strong minus Bama until 2011
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:09 am to 3down10
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Thread is just Georgia fans trying to stretch the truth to make Kirby look better than he really is.
It’s funny how quickly the comparisons went from richt to saban, and it’s not as far fetched as your whining Wants it to be.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:11 am to dawgfan24348
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So you proved my point, you whine about Kirby being in the East but the West wasn’t really strong minus Bama until 2011
You are an idiot.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:13 am to djsdawg
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It’s funny how quickly the comparisons went from richt to saban, and it’s not as far fetched as your whining Wants it to be.
Well, the good news is you likely won't have to hear about Richt anymore.
The bad news is you're all going to look kind of dumb comparing to Saban for many years minimum.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:13 am to 3down10
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Meaning, it's comparing a time period in which the SEC West produced 3 different national championship teams and won the SEC in 6 of the 7 years for Saban.
Lol
That's rich. As if Auburn and LSU are bastions of consistency.
You are disproving your own point with the shitty way those national championship programs are run.
Again... half of the teams in the SEC are below average. That includes LSU and Auburn in some years (right next to their national championships).
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:15 am to 3down10
How so? The west was trash until 2011 in which Saban was able to win 2 of his nattys. Even if we account for Urban who was great but no Saban that means Saban only had to deal with Urban for four of his seven years meanwhile Kirby has had to deal with Saban all seven years.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:22 am to JJJimmyJimJames
Melt.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:24 am to 3down10
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The bad news is you're all going to look kind of dumb comparing to Saban for many years minimum.
The 7 year tweet doesn’t look dumb, and all of your whining hasn’t changed any of it. Our 2015 team sucked, and our 2016 roster had holes are over it. Kirby turning the ship around was far more impressive than your spin leads us to believe.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:26 am to meansonny
A flash in the pan Auburn team or LSU team doesn’t really compare to the Saban Bama teams.
Comparing the SEC from 2008-2013 (not counting either coach’a first season)
2008 Florida over Bama (Florida wins natty)
2009 Alabama over Florida (Bama wins natty)
2010 Auburn over South Carolina (Auburn wins natty)
2011 LSU over Georgia (Bama wins natty)
2012 Alabama over Georgia (Alabama wins natty)
2013 Auburn over Mizzou (FSU wins natty)
2017 Georgia over Auburn (Bama wins natty)
2018 Alabama over Georgia (Clemson wins natty)
2019 LSU over Georgia (LSU wins natty)
2020 Alabama over Florida (Bama wins natty)
2021 Alabama over Georgia (Georgia wins natty)
2022 Georgia over LSU (Georgia vs TCU for natty)
In 5 of these games during Georgia’s run they had to either face Saban or one of the best college football teams ever in 2019 LSU. Meanwhile in just three games Saban had to deal with either Urban or a super elite LSU team. They even got the benefit of playing a shitty Notre Dame team and knocking out Colt McCoy in two of their nattys
Should Georgia win the natty under this run Kirby would have the same number of SEC titles and national titles and a better SEC record all the while dealing with stronger elite teams compared to Saban’s first seven years
Comparing the SEC from 2008-2013 (not counting either coach’a first season)
2008 Florida over Bama (Florida wins natty)
2009 Alabama over Florida (Bama wins natty)
2010 Auburn over South Carolina (Auburn wins natty)
2011 LSU over Georgia (Bama wins natty)
2012 Alabama over Georgia (Alabama wins natty)
2013 Auburn over Mizzou (FSU wins natty)
2017 Georgia over Auburn (Bama wins natty)
2018 Alabama over Georgia (Clemson wins natty)
2019 LSU over Georgia (LSU wins natty)
2020 Alabama over Florida (Bama wins natty)
2021 Alabama over Georgia (Georgia wins natty)
2022 Georgia over LSU (Georgia vs TCU for natty)
In 5 of these games during Georgia’s run they had to either face Saban or one of the best college football teams ever in 2019 LSU. Meanwhile in just three games Saban had to deal with either Urban or a super elite LSU team. They even got the benefit of playing a shitty Notre Dame team and knocking out Colt McCoy in two of their nattys
Should Georgia win the natty under this run Kirby would have the same number of SEC titles and national titles and a better SEC record all the while dealing with stronger elite teams compared to Saban’s first seven years
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 11:29 am
Posted on 1/7/23 at 11:28 am to 3down10
quote:You have a strange way of showing it. You are downplaying what he’s done at his time at Georgia due to an insecurity about a comparison to Saban. No one is saying that Smart has surpassed Saban as the GOAT, but any comparisons that favor Smart are being shot down with a vengeance.
I'm not criticizing Kirby at all. He's done great things and there are probably 20+ schools that wish the coaches they hired from Saban could have done the same thing.
I ain't even mad. I like what I see.
quote:The point of the OP was to show Smart’s accomplishments in his first seven years. He is possibly three days away from 2 national championships in 2 years after UGA hadn’t won one in 41 years, and his recruiting isn’t slowing down.
But it's not my fault Georgia fans can't deal with the reality and want to pretend he's accomplished more than he really has.
"Because you can see it in the future for sure".
Actually accomplish things, then talk.
He has objectively accomplished a lot, especially for a first time head coach. There’s no need to downplay his accomplishments. It’s not a lie to say he’s done it at UGA (compared to SMU).
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