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re: Comparing Saban and Kirby's first 7 years. From Twitter....
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:29 am to 3down10
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:29 am to 3down10
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What does that have to do with the image? Oh well, another day of Georgia trying to compare itself to Alabama I guess.
Because context matters…
A rookie head coach vs a coach who came into a program with 12 years of HC experience under his belt. NFL HC experience and one natty at LSU already.
So the comparison is a a rookie vs a super senior with essentially the same metrics.
If Kirby gets this years Natty, then we can consider them equal at a minimum during that period of coaching. Giving the nod to Kirby because of lack of exp
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 9:30 am
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:30 am to jryanw
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You will be when Kirby leaves for the NFL and then lands back at Bama.
Stop with this shite, you look dumb.
Kirby played for Georgia, he is never leaving. Even if he did go to the NFL, came back and landed at Alabama, he'd bail to go back to Georgia as soon as it opened.
And it's not even a good flex to start with.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:31 am to Dawg4Life47
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Because context matters…
A rookie head coach vs a coach who came into a program with 12 years of HC experience under his belt. NFL HC experience and one natty at LSU already.
So the comparison is a a rookie vs a super senior with essentially the same metrics.
If Kirby gets this years Natty, then we can consider them equal during that period of coaching
What's the head to head record?
This entire thread is like when a kid traces something off a coloring book, then sits there and compares how well the trace turned out vs the original.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 9:33 am
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:32 am to 3down10
Melt bitch 33-18
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:33 am to Dawg4Life47
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Melt bitch 33-18
So 1 win for Kirby.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:36 am to Dawg4Life47
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Melt bitch 33-18
Lol such a shitty LSU move here. He asked you to talk about the overall H2H record. Everyone knows Kirby won the last one. Did UGA deserve to get a 2nd shot? Probably not after 41-24? Would Kirby have won if Metchie and Williams were healthy? No. Does it matter? No. However, it matters just as much as posting the last score does when someone asks you about the overall H2H record.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:36 am to WilliamTaylor21
It's fair to say Saban was better with Kirby. But Saban won his first natty at LSU, without Kirby on staff.
I mean, you're a Tiger. And their 2017 defense was the best in the country.
I mean, you're a Tiger. And their 2017 defense was the best in the country.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 9:38 am
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:38 am to FooManChoo
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Saban is still the GOAT, but Kirby seems to be the only son that could give his father a run for his money.
100%
If he keeps on this same trajectory he’ll be in the top 3 coaches of all time. It’s pretty amazing that all 3 would be from the SEC and only 2 schools.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:39 am to jryanw
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Did UGA deserve to get a 2nd shot?
Did bama against lsu? Hell, Bama fans cried this year about not getting a shot with 2 losses.
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Would Kirby have won if Metchie and Williams were healthy?
Would saban have beaten Texas with a healthy Colt McCoy? No.
If bama fans didn’t have double standards, they’d have none at all.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:42 am to 3down10
quote:That’s why I mentioned head coaching experience. An experienced head coach should be able to do more with less than an inexperienced head coach. It’s also one thing to sit under a coach like Saban and learn how to do it, but it’s another thing to be able to execute when you have a different situation at the program you are going to. Kirby walked into a program where the AD hadn’t been willing to truly invest in the program to make it championship-caliber and he convinced them to fork out money.
Suggesting the starting points for such stats don't matter is pants on head stupid. It's what every fricking coach in the history of college football has been judged on. What did you take over vs what did you do with it.
Then there’s the fact that UGA had been good for over a decade with a good coach yet was unable to even sniff the playoffs with those recruits and playing in the East. Kirby almost won it all in year two after his predecessor couldn’t do it with years more experience. That tells me there is something more than just the talent at UGA in play for Smart.
quote:You don’t think experience matters as a coach? Anyone can come in and be successful if they just try to copy Bama?
Which has nothing to do with anything.
Kirby Smart literally stole everything he could from Alabama and then put Georgia logos on top of them
How many coordinators turned into head coaches from the Saban family tree? How many of them were able to do what Smart has done in actually replicating it?
Also, coaches “copy” what other teams do when it can help them gain a competitive advantage. Everyone does that. You think Saban went from recruiting and utilizing QBs like Coker to QBs like Tua and Young because he had a vision while lying in bed?
quote:This entire thread is about comparing coaches. You got salty and wanted to bring up additional context that the graphic didn’t show, and I did the same.
If you are trying to compare coaches, then you are an idiot. Saban taught Kirby everything Kirby knows, Saban didn't teach Kirby everything Saban knows.
quote:The only thing Smart has done is copy the greatest coach in college football history? That’s not something to downplay, especially when you admit that no one else has yet to do that same thing, though there are many coaches who have tried.
The only thing Kirby has accomplished was copying what Saban and Alabama were doing and applying it to Georgia. Which isn't a bad thing, we've seen tons of other schools hiring coaches trying to get the same thing and failed.
The issue isn’t about how Smart has had his success (everyone knows it is by replicating Saban’s process and applying it to UGA’s specific situation), but that he has at all.
quote:Correct. Saban has been able to out-coach Smart more times than not, but Smart also has the most recent win and a great trajectory.
You know what stat it didn't mention? Head to head record.
There’s no reason to be salty about the OP. Saban is still the greatest. Smart’s success is a testament to Saban as well as Smart.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:45 am to jryanw
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Did UGA deserve to get a 2nd shot? Probably not after 41-24?
Bama fans butching about second chances?
Bunch of entitled baby back bitches!
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:46 am to atlanta917
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Did bama against lsu? Hell, Bama fans cried this year about not getting a shot with 2 losses.
LSU Bama was in Tiger Stadium was a 9-6 OT win for LSU with the 2 best defenses in college football that year squaring off in Nov. We then beat them 21-0 in January with a completely healthy LSU roster. That’s a lot different than getting you shite pushed in a month earlier and then getting to play against a team that was down 3 of their top skilled players from the last game.
Like I said, it doesn’t really matter though. The history books will always show UGA as the champ. If you read my entire post you would see that the point was that me bringing that up when it doesn’t matter to anyone except Bama fans is the same as the person I was responding to posting the score of the last matchup when he was asked about the Kirby vs Saban overall record.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 9:47 am
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:47 am to jryanw
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LSU Bama was in Tiger Stadium was a 9-6 OT win for LSU with the 2 best defenses in college football that year squaring off in Nov.
Copium
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:47 am to koreandawg
quote:doubt it
I mean, you're a Tiger
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:47 am to Errerrerrwere
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Bama fans butching about second chances?
So you as an LSU fan now agree that 9-6 didn’t matter when 21-0 happened? The rematch was legit?
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:48 am to atlanta917
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Would saban have beaten Texas with a healthy Colt McCoy? No.
Yes.
Texas got their asses whipped in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Texas couldn't stop the run, and they couldn't stop the Alabama defenders from getting in the backfield.
Colt was injured for those exact reasons. They tried a speed sweep, but the pitch was blocked. So Colt kept the ball, only to get hit by a defender from the other end of the line, who just straight owned the Texas line and hit him. Texas was trying to cut block, didn't go well.
These things were highlighted all game long as Alabama ran the ball and only attempted 8 passes. And at the same time made constant plays from sack fumbles to interceptions in the Texas backfield.
All you are doing is highlighting your lack of football knowledge. That game was a mismatch all over the field.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:51 am to SteelerBravesDawg
Looks like to me out of the 5 categories Saban leads in two, tied in another and the other two are so close its negligible. Kirby is doing a great job and he’s building a formidable program. They are very good. But it’ll be 5-10 years before you can honestly compare the two.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 9:53 am
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:57 am to FooManChoo
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That’s why I mentioned head coaching experience. An experienced head coach should be able to do more with less than an inexperienced head coach. It’s also one thing to sit under a coach like Saban and learn how to do it, but it’s another thing to be able to execute when you have a different situation at the program you are going to. Kirby walked into a program where the AD hadn’t been willing to truly invest in the program to make it championship-caliber and he convinced them to fork out money.
Then there’s the fact that UGA had been good for over a decade with a good coach yet was unable to even sniff the playoffs with those recruits and playing in the East. Kirby almost won it all in year two after his predecessor couldn’t do it with years more experience. That tells me there is something more than just the talent at UGA in play for Smart.
Again, this entire thread is basically like a kid who traces something in a coloring book, then tries to compare how good the trace turned out vs the original.
Yes, Kirby has done a very good job doing that, and I understand why Georgia fans are excited about him.
I don't understand why you all need to constantly compare yourselves to Saban and Alabama while trying to claim you are somehow equal or better.
You aren't. Closest thing to it, sure. But no.
What Kirby has in his favor is youth. So maybe he will pass Saban one day. I don't know. What I do know is that he hasn't done it yet.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:57 am to SteelerBravesDawg
To be fair, one coaches in the west and at the time the west was the dominant division.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:59 am to 3down10
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Colt was injured
So was Williams and Bama fans still cry about that. In fact, Hall and Brooks were both more highly rated than Mitchell and bowers. Maybe bama should’ve developed them. Anyway, what is more impactful, losing a QB or WR?
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