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re: Comparing Saban and Kirby's first 7 years. From Twitter....
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:13 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:13 am to WG_Dawg
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I always like how lists like this don't take Into account that Saban was at his 5th stop then with over a decade of college and NFL head coach experience while this 7 years happens to be kirbys first ever as a head coach. Kinda scary how high the ceiling might be.
2 major flaws with this.
1. Kirby straight up carbon copied Saban/Alabama.
2. Kirby was born on 3rd base while Saban was starting with teams like Toledo.
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:14 am to 3down10
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Kirby was born on 3rd base while Saban was starting with teams like Toledo.
So it’s Kirby’s fault saban chose to start at Toledo and then go to MSU?
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:14 am to SteelerBravesDawg
I love it. I can’t wait for the UGA melt when he leaves for the NFL and then comes back to college right as Saban is retiring. Will y’all be as salty as LSU? Or will you still love the coach that built you?
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 9:15 am
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:18 am to atlanta917
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20 points is small
The nonsense blocked FG is a 10 point swing - and LSU played with a backup QB.
LSU’s offense gained 750 yards iirc
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:20 am to FooManChoo
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Not much, like your post about teams being unequal when the respective coaches showed up.
Suggesting the starting points for such stats don't matter is pants on head stupid. It's what every fricking coach in the history of college football has been judged on.
What did you take over vs what did you do with it.
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I was just pointing out that Kirby offset his lack of coaching experience with some decent players to start with and Saban offset his lack of players with his experience as a championship-winning coach.
Which has nothing to do with anything.
Kirby Smart literally stole everything he could from Alabama and then put Georgia logos on top of them.
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You can’t ignore the experience (or lack thereof) of both men heading into their respective new jobs if you want to call into question other things like rosters.
If you are trying to compare coaches, then you are an idiot. Saban taught Kirby everything Kirby knows, Saban didn't teach Kirby everything Saban knows.
The only thing Kirby has accomplished was copying what Saban and Alabama were doing and applying it to Georgia. Which isn't a bad thing, we've seen tons of other schools hiring coaches trying to get the same thing and failed.
But give me a fricking break.
You know what stat it didn't mention? Head to head record.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:20 am to 3down10
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2 major flaws with this. 1. Kirby straight up carbon copied Saban/Alabama. 2. Kirby was born on 3rd base while Saban was starting with teams like Toledo.
That’s not the issue here. Plenty of coaches have been “born on 3rd base,” but they still fail.
If you want to criticize the OP you should do so based on him trying to compare the two when Kirby hasn’t even finished winning his second one.
UGA should kill TCU however a in game injury to Bowers or Bennett could could lead to the greatest upset in a National Championship in the last 30+ years.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:20 am to jryanw
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I love it. I can’t wait for the UGA melt when he leaves for the NFL and then comes back to college right as Saban is retiring. Will y’all be as salty as LSU? Or will you still love the coach that built you?
None of that is going to happen.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:20 am to WilliamTaylor21
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blocked FG
Special teams are part of the game, right? LSU should know this by now.
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LSU’s offense gained 750 yards
And only scored 30 points. Has to be the most inefficient offense of all time.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:22 am to atlanta917
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So it’s Kirby’s fault saban chose to start at Toledo and then go to MSU?
Are you saying we should ignore the context because it wasn't Kirby's fault Saban had to start at the bottom?
Especially funny considering the reason why Kirby got to start on 3rd base.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:22 am to jryanw
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I love it. I can’t wait for the UGA melt when he leaves for the NFL and then comes back to college right as Saban is retiring. Will y’all be as salty as LSU? Or will you still love the coach that built you?
HaHa…who’s Salty?
Btw all living FB Head coaches that coached for UGA still live in Athens. We lost a great one this year (Dooley) and he still lived in Athens.
We love Kirby and expect him to retire and watch his grandchildren grow up here…who wouldn’t want their children growing up in the greatest college football city of Athens Ga? It’s a little different here and he will always be revered in Athens.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 9:25 am
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:23 am to WilliamTaylor21
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The nonsense blocked FG is a 10 point swing - and LSU played with a backup QB.
So Bama losing our top 2 WRs and 2 of our top 3 RBs before playing UGA, for the 2nd time in 30 days, in the National Championship doesn’t matter but LSU playing with a backup QB does? Lol.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:24 am to GruvenDawg
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HaHa…who’s Salty?
You will be when Kirby leaves for the NFL and then lands back at Bama.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:24 am to SteelerBravesDawg
Saban had the better initial 7 years. Nobody is going to look good being compared to Saban. If Smart can keep winning over the next 10 years, then maybe. We'll see. I wouldn't count on it, though.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:25 am to jryanw
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That’s not the issue here. Plenty of coaches have been “born on 3rd base,” but they still fail.
If you want to criticize the OP you should do so based on him trying to compare the two when Kirby hasn’t even finished winning his second one.
UGA should kill TCU however a in game injury to Bowers or Bennett could could lead to the greatest upset in a National Championship in the last 30+ years.
I wasn't talking to the OP, I was talking to the person I was replying to and quoted.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:25 am to 3down10
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Are you saying we should ignore the context because it wasn't Kirby's fault Saban had to start at the bottom?
Are you saying Saban’s years of experience before getting to bama aren’t worth anything?
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:25 am to DawgsLife
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Saban had the better initial 7 years. Nobody is going to look good being compared to Saban. If Smart can keep winning over the next 10 years, then maybe. We'll see. I wouldn't count on it, though.
I agree. This is a very fair assessment. Y’all should win this year so if he can get one more in the next 3 years it’ll be debatable.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:27 am to atlanta917
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Are you saying Saban’s years of experience before getting to bama aren’t worth anything?
I'm saying they don't really have anything to do with the OP.
Saban is who he was when he was given the job at Alabama and Kirby is who he was when he was given the job at Georgia.
That's not an offset for the talent and program they were given.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:27 am to 3down10
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I wasn't talking to the OP, I was talking to the person I was replying to and quoted.
The point still stands. If Kirby finishes off TCU like he should this will be the 2nd greatest HC start in modern times. Him starting with a better team than Saban did doesn’t really matter.
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:29 am to 3down10
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I'm saying they don't really have anything to do with the OP
That’s not an answer. Does coaching experience matter or not?
Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:29 am to 3down10
Or are the two conferences equal at the time they inherited their respective programs? Saban came into the sec with urban, a sabanized lsu, darth visor, phat Phil, James Franklin, richt. Saban layed waste to some good teams and programs. Kirby smart inherited a team on the cusp and walked a path cleared by saban
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 9:32 am
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