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re: Chubb vs LF
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:05 pm to JaxTiger10
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:05 pm to JaxTiger10
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LF is 6'1 230 lbs, runs a 4.35 40 and squats 600 lbs
Chubb is 5'11 215 and runs a 4.47 40
Do you guys really just make things up? You do realize that these things can be found on the internet? Chubb is listed at 228. Maybe he weighs less, but probably 8 or 10 pound more than the 217 he weighed at The Opening a year and a half ago.
Speaking of the opening, that was Fournette's chance to show the world his 4.35 speed in a controlled event. Unfortunately, his 40 time wasn't recorded for posterity. However, he did run a 4.30 shuttle, which is highly suggestive of a 40 time considerably slower than 4.35. Heck, we had a linebacker run a 4.32 shuttle and Chubb ran a 4.12 shuttle at that same event. Chubb also had a higher VJ than Fournette (40.8 vs 29.9), a longer powerball throw (43 vs 38.5), and a true 4.47 40. That VJ is a pretty good indicator of Chubb's explosiveness and power, which he repeatedly demonstrated in 2014.
You should stick the future superstar potential argument. At least that can't be verifiably disproved since it hasn't happened yet. If you must use the speed argument, I recommend you say Fournette could potentially run very fast.
This post was edited on 2/25/15 at 11:14 pm
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Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:08 pm to wdhalgren
Outside of height, there is - literally - not one stat that shows out for LF. And height has zero to do with RB ability, and may even hinder it when it comes to LF.
But keep it up LSU fans - this is fun.
But keep it up LSU fans - this is fun.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:23 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
quote:it's my observation that this comment usually comes as a response to georgia fans who have once again made some insecure comment about chubb being the best, like they are inculcating it to themselves or they have once again brought up the comparison. so to me, no. it's not a real thing like comments from lsu fans
So it's not a real thing similar to LF has more "potential"
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:26 pm to wdhalgren
Leonard doesn't run a laser 4.35. He's probably 4.4x.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:27 pm to GoldenDawg
quote:you appear to not know that what he is saying is essentially true. that is part of what contributes to the appearance of insecurity among georgia fans regarding chubb and the trumped up and unecessary comparison with lf
JaxTiger assures us it is so
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:27 pm to wdhalgren
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Chubb ran a 4.12 shuttle at that same event. Chubb also had a higher VJ than Fournette (40.8 vs 29.9), a longer powerball throw (43 vs 38.5),
Dammmmn that's sexy
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:35 pm to wdhalgren
quote:more evidence of inculcation. so pmanning actually sucks as a qb, right? because there is no one "controlled event" stat that shows him to be better than basically every backup qb in the league. heck, i bet craig whelihan can outperform manning at the combine
controlled event
scouts obviously see things that controlled events don't always measure
i'm not arguing that chubb stinks. i'm trying to point out that it's not unreasonable that lf is better even though chubb had better "stats" or was "voted" a subjective award
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:41 pm to bfniii
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more evidence of inculcation
Well, I'm certainly loathe to be guilty of inculcation, particularly when there is a boatload of hard facts that supplant the need for it. As for the controlled event, I wasn't the one that starting citing hard numbers. If we're going to compare measurables, best to do it in a controlled environment, right?
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:43 pm to wdhalgren
You're sitting there saying that "people are just making things up" but you're really going to sit there and say that shuttle has jack shite to do with 40 time? One assesses straight line speed and the other shows you how fast a player can stop on a dime and completely change direction. There isn't a remote connection between the two and tall players typically run faster 40's and short players do better in the shuttle. Do a little research before you press submit next time bud
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:56 pm to southeasttiger113
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you're really going to sit there and say that shuttle has jack shite to do with 40 time?
Go look at the 40 and shuttle times for every player that performed at that particular sparq combine. It's a nice sample size and the testing was all done the same way. Compare shuttles and 40's for all the athletes who chose to display their numbers (most of them). The average guy was probably 0.3 seconds (or more) longer for the 40 than the shuttle time. That's for tall guys and short. It was a nicely consistent relationship. I only saw a few that were even within 0.2 seconds.
Maybe Fournette could have run a 4.35 40, but he didn't and I haven't seen where he did at any sparq event leading up to the opening either. His shuttle time does nothing to bolster that claim.
This post was edited on 2/26/15 at 12:03 am
Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:12 am to bfniii
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it's not unreasonable that lf is better even though chubb had better "stats" or was "voted" a subjective award
Subjective award?
First Team All SEC and SEC Freshman of The Year vs. ..... potential.
Who is winning what subjective award here?
Wow. LSU fans are the gift that keeps on giving. Please. Let's keep this thread alive.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:14 am to wdhalgren
So it's settled, Fournette runs a 4.7 because some dumbass on a message board is grossly overexaggerating the correlation between shuttle and 40. I just looked and multiple people ran faster 40's than shuttles, and about 25% of the guys didn't run the shuttle period so it's safe to assume that theirs were around the same or worse, too. Again, do some research before you post, I get that georgia fans are freakishly desperate to take Fournette down a peg for whatever reason but let's try to stick to facts and not exaggerations next time
ETA: just double checked and Chris Conley ran a 4.30 shuttle and guess what his 40 time was? 4.35...but tell me more about how much you researched your 40/shuttle correlation hypothesis
ETA: just double checked and Chris Conley ran a 4.30 shuttle and guess what his 40 time was? 4.35...but tell me more about how much you researched your 40/shuttle correlation hypothesis
This post was edited on 2/26/15 at 12:31 am
Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:29 am to southeasttiger113
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let's try to stick to facts and not exaggerations next time
Facts. Like the "potential" fact. Because that is ALL LSU fans have. Every other fact favors Chubb. And, frankly, Chubb has a lot more potential than LF. He ran for over 1,500 with Gurley as the premier back in six games. I don't think LSU fan really wants to go with "potential".
Fact.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:34 am to southeasttiger113
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I just looked and multiple people ran faster 40's than shuttles, and about 25% of the guys didn't run the shuttle period so it's safe to assume that theirs were around the same or worse, too.
That's interesting, because I looked also and didn't see a single player who ran a a faster 40 than shuttle. In fact, out of the entire group I only saw three players who ran the 40 within 0.2 seconds of their shuttle time, out of the 118 players who had times for both. Unless we're looking at a completely different set of data, it's safe to assume that your safe assumption is extremely risky. But, I'll leave a link and anyone who is so inclined can judge for themselves.
LINK
As for Chris Conley, I didn't say no player ever runs close to their shuttle in the 40, just that the averages are that shuttles are generally several tenths quicker. And it's a particularly good correlation at this sparq combine where every player was tested the same. If you want to claim Fournette ran a 4.35, it's the internet and there's no penalty. It just doesn't carry much weight given the lack of a laser timed measurement and other data that is available.
This post was edited on 2/26/15 at 12:43 am
Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:38 am to GoldenDawg
And Fournette ran for 1000 while splitting the carries with 3 other backs and literally zero passing game. That's more impressive than Chubb racking up yards after one of the best backs in the country wore the defense down along with a solid passing game to keep the defense off balance. What LF did with 8 men in the box all season was incredible. And, frankly, literally every scout and recruiting site disagrees with you about Chubb having more potential than fournette but keep spouting subjective bullshite just like every other Georgia fan does anytime LF's name comes up
Fact dumbass
Fact
dumbassPosted on 2/26/15 at 12:41 am to southeasttiger113
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What LF did with 8 men in the box all season was incredible.
Yeah. The six yards or whatever he managed to eke out against Arkansas in a 17-0 loss was amazing.
Meanwhile, against the exact same defense, Chubb ran for over 200 yards while Georgia scored 38 points. In the first half.
Keep up the good work! What else you got?
Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:47 am to GoldenDawg
Fournette had less than 5 carries and, as I said, we had literally zero passing attack that game. Chubb had 30+ carries and Mason threw the ball well that game too. Are you a complete moron or...what? Not sure how that completely irrelevant comparison helps prove your point but ok bud, whatever helps you feel better about your football team
Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:51 am to southeasttiger113
I gave you the 2013 the opening sparq combine numbers where Fournette ran. The nice thing about that large dataset is that the shuttles and 40's were measured the same for every player. And the 40's were severak tenths longer with quite a low variance. That maybe somewhat different from how those two events are measure at other venues, including the NFL combine, but the relationship still holds.
But, sure we can move along. Maybe Leonard Fournette is the consumate outlier; runs his 40 as fast as his shuttle. Maybe he'll turn into an elite back like Nick Chubb. I definitely can't say it's statistically impossible.
But, sure we can move along. Maybe Leonard Fournette is the consumate outlier; runs his 40 as fast as his shuttle. Maybe he'll turn into an elite back like Nick Chubb. I definitely can't say it's statistically impossible.
This post was edited on 2/26/15 at 12:54 am
Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:56 am to southeasttiger113
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Fournette had less than 5 carries
Yeah. Think about that.
Hint: it does not help your argument. In the slightest.
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