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re: Case for a National Seed: Auburn vs LSU
Posted on 5/19/25 at 2:58 pm to Scoob
Posted on 5/19/25 at 2:58 pm to Scoob
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It is what it is. Auburn fans might have a gripe, but it will be with the committee, not LSU.
or Hell look at Vandy. They have 6 series wins. Those series wins are against:
SEC finish in parenthesis:
Kentucky (13th)
Tennessee (T7th)
Missouri (last)
Miss St (11th)
UGA (5th)
Florida (10th)
A&M (15th)
Their series losses are to:
Ole Miss (T7th)
Oklahoma (12th)
Arkansas (2nd - sweep)
Auburn (6th)
Top 50 OOC games played
UC Irvine 24 (win)
UCLA 15 (loss)
USCw 41 (loss)
UCOnn 39 (loss)
Xavier 38 3x (sweep)
Western Kentucky 48 (win)
Louisville 29 (loss)
OOC losses and their RPI rank:
Nebraska 64 (LSU beat Nebraska)
MTSU 194
Louisville 29
USCw 41
UConn 39
So 3/4 of their series losses were to the best teams on their schedule. Of their series wins, 4 of them were to teams who finished 10th, 11th, 13th and last in the SEC
I'll do the same for LSU and Auburn
LSU
LSU won 7 series and lost 3
series wins:
Arkansas (2nd)
Tennessee (T7th)
South Carolina (14th)
State (11th) (sweep)
Oklahoma (12th) (sweep)
Alabama (T7th)
Missouri (last) (sweep)
series losses:
Texas (1st)
A&M (14th)
Auburn (6th) (sweep)
Top 50 OOC games played:
DBU 19 (win)
Kansas St 33 (win)
Xavier 38 (win)
OOC losses and RPI rank
Omaha 190
Northwestern St 79
LSU has more series wins. They have a more impressive series win than anything on Vandy's schedule. Vandy swept a team LSU lost a series to and LSU swept a team (on the road) Vandy lost a series to. LSU played the #1 team in the SEC on the road and won 1/3. Vandy played the #2 team in the SEC at home and were swept. LSU won more series. They both won 19 SEC games. LSU won 4 of their last 5 series. Vandy won 4 of their last 5 series. WHere you see the difference in PRI is going to LSU's OOC SOS is 221 and Vandy's at 79. Neither played a juggernaut OOC schedule. LSU went 23-2 in OOC play and Vandy 20-5.
Auburn
series wins:
Vandy (T3rd)
Kentucky (13th)
LSU (T3rd) (sweep)
Alabama (T8th)
State (T10th)
Tennessee (T8th)
South Carolina (15th) (sweep)
series losses
Ole Miss
Texas (1st) (sweep)
UGA (5th) (sweep)
Top 50 OOC games played:
Troy 43 (win)
Oregon St 6 (win)
Ga Tech 20 2x (won both)
OOC losses:
Holy Cross 145
UAB 2x 165
Old Dominion 114
The difference in the SEC records b/t LSU and Auburn is Auburn was swept twice, LSU only once, and LSU swept three teams to Auburn's 2. Auburn doesn't have any bad series losses on paper, meaning they don't have any series losses to bad teams. LSU does to A&M. For both teams, all of their series losses were on the road. Vandy was swept at home by Arkansas and also lost 2 more road series. Vandy won fewer series than both schools. Auburn's OOC SOS was 58, which is, again, why you see the difference in RPI compared to LSU, but as stated above, they didn't play a juggernaut OOC either.
And I'll just throw in UGA and Arkansas for shits and giggles since I think Texas is inarguable as top 8 seeds
UGA
series wins:
Kentucky (13th)
Florida (10th) (sweep)
Auburn (6th) (sweep)
Arkansas (2nd)
Oklahoma (12th)
Missouri (last) (sweep)
A&M (15th)
series losses:
Alabama
Vandy (sweep)
Texas (sweep)
OOC Top 50 games:
ETSU 47
Ga Tech 20
Clemson 10
OOC losses
UNC Wilmington 81
Clemson 10
UGA was swept twice, both on the road and all three of their series losses were on the road. They don't have any bad series losses as far as losing to a bad team. Their best series win, like LSU, is beating Arkansas 2/3, both doing it at home. Their OOC SOS is 81
Arkansas
series wins:
Ole Miss (7th)
South Carolina (15th) (sweep)
Vandy (T3rd) (sweep)
Missouri (last) (sweep)
Texas (1st) (sweep)
Tennessee (T8th)
A&M (14th)
LSU (T3rd)
Florida (10th)
UGA (5th)
Top 50 OOC games played:
Kansas St (33)
TCU (17)
OOC losses:
Kansas St 17
Missouri St 177
Arkansas is an interesting one. They've dropped 4 of their last 6 series to close the season. They've been feast or famine all year. They've lost more series than the rest of these schools other than Vandy, but they have more sweeps than any of them at 4, which is why they finished ahead of Vandy and LSU in the final standings. They have the same bad series loss that LSU does, A&M, and actually lost a home series. LSU won the H2H between the two. Their OOC SOS is 173, which, like LSU, is why they're close to LSU in RPI.
All in all, all 5 of these teams have very similar resumes. Oddly enough, there's not a ton of H2H between the 5, not nearly as much as you would expect. I don't know what the committee will do. IMO all 5 should get top 8 seeds, but don't be surprised if they really put emphasis on where they all finished in the SEC if they're trying to limit the number of SEC schools with top 8 seeds.
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Posted on 5/19/25 at 2:59 pm to Tammany Tom
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Why single out LSU???
He stated why, he mentioned it’s unlikely or could be unlikely that the committee gives the SEC 6 teams and Texas Arkansas Vandy and Georgia look to be locks so it is comparing LSU and Auburn for that 5th and final SEC slot.
This week’s tournament results will matter for those on the fence teams.
I think both teams are deserving of a national seed.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:03 pm to 4x4tiger
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Bro, you need to calm down
LSU fans apparently have an aversion to statistics and facts. I’m literally just stating a comparison of resumes and the Cajuns just can’t seem to handle it.
I’m completely calm… probably because I know my facts are correct. Meanwhile not one LSU poster has been able to answer the OP question and give me an explanation as to why LSU should be rated ahead. Not with any type of data at least.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:03 pm to AUTiger789
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I know you’re from Louisiana, but can you read?
not from Louisiana but thanks
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I said both should be national seeds.
yet you're fixated on telling us why LSU shouldn't be one.
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But the committee has never awarded one conference 6 or more national seeds, and there is a lot of speculation that they won’t do it this year.
They had never awarded 5 until they did last year. Things change. You don't need to let what's happened in a different season completely consume what you think will happen here.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:05 pm to lsufball19
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yet you're fixated on telling us why LSU shouldn't be one.
Nope. Just that your team has the obvious 6th best resume in the conference… probably 6th or 7th in the nation, but definitely 6th in the conference.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:07 pm to lsufball19
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You don't need to let what's happened in a different season completely consume what you think will happen here.
So posting on tRant is being consumed? You’ve posted 68,000 times on this site. What does that make you?
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:08 pm to lsufball19
The "Auburn swept " narrative is a football mentality applied to a baseball discussion. Baseball has been and always will be about an aggregation of marginal statistics. Overall record is much more important than a home sweep where every game was razor thin. LSU looked way more dominant against Arkansas than Auburn LSU and no LSU proponent is arguing LSU should be higher than Arkansas.
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:09 pm to AUTiger789
We're 19-11 in the SEC and you're not
19 SEC wins will get you a national seed
Aubie will probably be an 8 seed
Go take a Xanax or get you some pussy. You're wound tight
19 SEC wins will get you a national seed
Aubie will probably be an 8 seed
Go take a Xanax or get you some pussy. You're wound tight
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:10 pm to LSUminati
Cant wait to laugh when we're seeded ahead of auburn
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:11 pm to AUTiger789
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give me an explanation as to why LSU should be rated ahead. Not with any type of data at least.
Yes they have. More SEC wins has been stated multiple times. That's an objective data point. Auburn has 3 Q4 losses to LSU's 1. That's another. Auburn has more Q1 and Q2 losses. That's another. LSU has a higher ELO ranking. That's another. LSU has more overall wins and fewer losses. That's another. LSU has an 8-8 road record to Auburn's 7-11 road record. That's another.
Auburn has a home series sweep against LSU and a higher RPI. But there is a whole basket of data points the committee will look at. It's not as simple as you've been trying to make it look like ITT. But at least you're self aware enough to realize that LSU is probably a lock for a top 8 seed and Auburn may not be.
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:13 pm to AUTiger789
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Nope. Just that your team has the obvious 6th best resume in the conference… probably 6th or 7th in the nation, but definitely 6th in the conference.
you're saying LSU fans can't argue logically and then you say something like this
Hate to burst your bubble but the margins between 2-6 in the SEC are razor thin which is why you are so riled up about it. There's nothing "definite" about any of it. I actually spoon fed you all the objective data on this page
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:26 pm to LSUminati
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Baseball has been and always will be about an aggregation of marginal statistics.
Did you read the OP? If you think the basis of Auburn’s argument to be seeded higher is “Auburn swept” then you’re a damn moron.
I literally gave you nothing but an “aggregation of marginal statistics.” If you want to ignore our higher RPI, our much more difficult SOS, and our having more Q1 wins then by all means continue burying your head in the sand.
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and no LSU proponent is arguing LSU should be higher than Arkansas.
Because that would be preposterous. And you’d also be hard pressed to find any piece of supporting evidence other than a narrow 2-1 series win in which one of the games went to 10 innings.
Auburn won a series against Vandy and I’m not arguing we should be seeded ahead of them because they clearly have a better resume than Auburn.
There’s this process of comparing resumes and different data points. You should try it instead of screaming at a computer while wearing your purple and gold shades.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:26 pm to AUTiger789
Auburn needs a national seed.
LSU is bad on the road, but 5-10 is really bad.
LSU is bad on the road, but 5-10 is really bad.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:56 pm to AUTiger789
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And you’d also be hard pressed to find any piece of supporting evidence other than a narrow 2-1 series win in which one of the games went to 10 innings.
21 of Arkansas's 42 wins are against Q4 teams.
LSU has played 31 games against Q1/Q2 teams compared to 24 for Arkansas. LSU is 13-10 against Q1 teams, Arkansas 14-9. Arkansas has one more win in the SEC and 1 more win overall than LSU. They both have embarrassing OOC SOS's. Arkansas's is 173 to LSU's at 221. LSU has more series wins than does Arkansas. They also won H2H against Arkansas, run ruling them in one of the games.
All of this was laid out to you already ITT, but you don't want to admit how similar the resumes are between 2-6 in the SEC
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There’s this process of comparing resumes and different data points. You should try it instead of screaming at a computer while wearing your purple and gold shades.
Yes, people are doing this. As BigBro told you in the other thread you started, you just don't seem to like opinions that differ from yours.
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:04 pm to AUTiger789
Honestly both Auburn and LSU are playing hotter than Texas right now and deserve a top 8 spot over Texas who lost their ace pitcher.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:14 pm to lsufball19
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21 of Arkansas's 42 wins are against Q4 teams.
Seriously? You’re going to ding on Arkansas’ 22 Quad 1 games when LSU has played 20? Is that some monumental difference?
That is such an inconsequential difference especially when Arkansas has a higher rated SOS overall.
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LSU has played 31 games against Q1/Q2 teams compared to 24 for Arkansas.
Correct. But same number of Quad 1 games played so you’re really just saying you’ve played more Quad 2 opponents.
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Arkansas has one more win in the SEC
and 1 more win overall than LSU.
Arkansas's SOS is 173 to LSU's at 221.
Advantage Arkansas
Advantage Arkansas
Advantage Arkansas
All of this is sort of proving my point.
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LSU has more series wins than does Arkansas. They also won H2H against Arkansas
I’ll give you this, but you winning the head-to-head series 2-1 is the only significant data point that is advantage LSU.
Arkansas has a higher RPI and ELO rating as well.
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All of this was laid out to you already ITT, but you don't want to admit how similar the resumes are between 2-6 in the SEC
Actually I already did in this very thread. I said it was “splitting hairs” between the resumes but that IMO there were three fairly obvious tiers with Texas and Vandy 1/2…. Arkansas and Georgia 3/4… and Auburn and LSU 5/6. But while it’s close between Auburn and LSU, I think Auburn’s resume is slightly the better overall. If you go back and read the thread, you’ll see all of this.
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As BigBro told you in the other thread you started, you just don't seem to like opinions that differ from yours.
This entire 4 page thread is a case study of LSU fans not liking opinions (backed up with facts) other than their own. Why do you think it’s okay for you to argue with me but not okay for me to argue my opinion back?
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:15 pm to Tammany Tom
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The only thing that I care about is that LSU is a Top 8 seed. Whether they are a 5 and Auburn is a 7 or Auburn is a 5 and LSU is a 7 is completely irrelevant.
THIS
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:20 pm to AUTiger789
Wouldn’t be surprised if the top 6 seeds overall are in the order of SEC finish…
1. Texas
2. Arkansas
3. LSU
4. Vandy
5. UGA
6. Auburn
7. North Carolina
8. Oregon
And regarding Arkansas…they also have the best record in the league against teams who finished in the top 4 of the league…Swept Texas and @ Vandy…went 1-2 @LSU so went 7-2 against its fellow top 4 finishers in the league.
1. Texas
2. Arkansas
3. LSU
4. Vandy
5. UGA
6. Auburn
7. North Carolina
8. Oregon
And regarding Arkansas…they also have the best record in the league against teams who finished in the top 4 of the league…Swept Texas and @ Vandy…went 1-2 @LSU so went 7-2 against its fellow top 4 finishers in the league.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:24 pm to lsufball19
And yet, nobody with eyes thinks LSU is better, unless they are wearing purple. Don’t give me the polls BS either, that’s laughable
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:24 pm to AUTiger789
How about you wait till the regional brackets come out next week before you start crying like a lil bitch 
:wah:
:wah:This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 4:40 pm
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