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Posted on 11/14/10 at 8:14 am to PJinAtl
So . . . in summary, then, all we know (or all we think we know) is that financially strapped and desperate dad knows he is sitting on a golden goose and decides to go shopping. I've read nothing that seems to indicate that Cam knew anything about the dealings. If true, shame on dad for putting his son in this position and shame on the media for convicting Cam without evidence (anyone remember the Duke Lacrosse team?).
The question then becomes did money, in fact, change hands? I'm sure this will be borne out during the investigation. And if the answer is "yes," I would tend to believe it was done by boosters and not the university proper. Regardless, if so, Auburn, rightly or wrongly, will get slammed by the NCAA with sanctions . . . and the booster or those responsible will get no form of punishment whatsoever.
The question then becomes did money, in fact, change hands? I'm sure this will be borne out during the investigation. And if the answer is "yes," I would tend to believe it was done by boosters and not the university proper. Regardless, if so, Auburn, rightly or wrongly, will get slammed by the NCAA with sanctions . . . and the booster or those responsible will get no form of punishment whatsoever.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 8:24 am to DogDoc
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And if the answer is "yes," I would tend to believe it was done by boosters and not the university proper.
Money in cases of paying players is never paid directly by the university. It would be fairly chancy for a university to pay since the books are audited and it might be difficult to cover a payment of $200,000 or so when the auditor asks for the underlying documentation. It would likely be very hard to get the comptroller to put his career on the line to fudge the documents, etc., to cover up. The internal controls for paying out large sums would make such payments risky and hard to cover up. It would also mean that the university officials would be risking jail time for fraud in the misuse of public funds.
It doesn't mean that university officials never commit fraud or misuse university funds, but it would be highly unlikely. Most of these kinds of abuses involve personal gain for the official, and almost always end up in someone getting caught and criminal sanctions.
So if any money changed hands to pay the player, it didn't come from the university.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 8:27 am to DogDoc
quote:All we know is
So . . . in summary, then, all we know (or all we think we know) is that financially strapped and desperate dad knows he is sitting on a golden goose and decides to go shopping.
A) Cecil's church was in need of repair
B) He asked for an extension of the deadline before the city of Newnan condemned said church
C) In his request for extension he said he would have the money soon
D) The repairs (about $50,000 worth) were made ahead of the deadline
E) MSU made a report to the SEC (and later the NCAA) saying there were some issues regarding Cam's recruitment to MSU.
Everything else past that is either conjecture, rumor, innuendo, hearsay, or from unnamed "sources".
As I've said in the past, if Auburn did something wrong I want head to roll. But right now there is nothing concrete to say the Newtons (includingCecil) did anything wrong. If there are tapes, let us hear some fo them - and not just edited portions that can be twisted one way or another the whole things. Just because Rogers went on the radio with his lawyer advising him doesn't mean he spoke the truth. People lie with their lawyer next to them in many cases.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 8:41 am to PJinAtl
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As I've said in the past, if Auburn did something wrong I want head to roll. But right now there is nothing concrete to say the Newtons (includingCecil) did anything wrong. If there are tapes, let us hear some fo them - and not just edited portions that can be twisted one way or another the whole things. Just because Rogers went on the radio with his lawyer advising him doesn't mean he spoke the truth. People lie with their lawyer next to them in many cases.
People lie when they have acted improperly, taken illegal money, etc. At this point, it seems fairly likely that Cecil acted improperly in asking for money from MSU, beyond that things remain pretty murky.
However, people use the term "hearsay" as if it has some real meaning outside of a courtroom. Hearsay is actually a very technical legal term that is also very complex. For example, if the folks that have publicly stated that Cecil asked them for money testify under oath in court that Cecil asked for money, that would not be hearsay. It would be admissible evidence to prove that the words were spoken and likely also admissible as an admission against Cecil's interest. Therefore it would not be hearsay. So at this point, using a layman's view of hearsay, it isn't hearsay that Cecil asked for money for his son to play. Witnesses have publicly stated that they heard him do so. It may be an issue of someone lying or credibility of witnesses, but that is a different question, not of hearsy.
So at this point, if we deem the eyewitnesses to Cecil's asking for money, credible, there is substantial evidence that he did so. What we don't have specific evidence of is whether Cam knew (at least prior to the request) of his fathe's request and whether Auburn or a booster paid money. We do have evidence (again credible or not) that Cam stated that the "money was too much," based on the reported statement of an eyewitness. In court, we would have to hear directly from that witness or it would be "hearsay." But since we aren't in court, then we are making judgments and opinion based on what information has been credibly reported by professional reporters, not just internet rumor.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 8:52 am to labamafan
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Tthis all came to light ten games in. If he is ruled ineligible they give up all of those wins anyway why not play him and hope for the best. If this was wek three or four you sit him just in case week ten if he cheated your screwed anyway.
This^^^^
Posted on 11/14/10 at 8:59 am to I Love Bama
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Despite all of the above evidence, Auburn decides to play Cam Newton against Georgia.
WTF????
There is no evidence against AU and no allegations. Not a single one. Nothing. Nada. Not a single person involved has even HINTED at ANY wrong doing by AU.
So, what evidence? Answer, there is none.
AU met with the NCAA last week. AU is going to be cleared very very soon.
Book it.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 9:02 am to tigerinridgeland
Where there's smoke you can bet there is a fire. 
Posted on 11/14/10 at 9:03 am to AUTigLN11
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November 13th, Auburn wins the West.
November 13th, 2011, Auburn loses the west because of the final decision.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 9:08 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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AU met with the NCAA last week. AU is going to be cleared very very soon.
Book it.
Bookmarked.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 9:11 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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AU met with the NCAA last week. AU is going to be cleared very very soon.
Man you are the biggest ITAT troll that has ever come to Tigerdroppings. My girlfriend and her family are VERY politically involved at Auburn and even they can admit that things are not looking good. You are a nobody.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 9:27 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Auburn's guilt in five easy steps:
1- OBVIOUSLY, the NCAA can't allow people to shop around their sons for hundreds of thousands of dollars with the defense that the players didn't know about it or everybody would be doing it. Therefore, there's an existing rule against it.
2- Because of number 1, Cam Newton was OBVIOUSLY ineligible for the Georgia game and every game before that.
3- Number 2 doesn't require a rocket scientist. Auburn University officials therefore DELIBERATELY played an ineligible player.
4- An innocent program, faced with severe long term consequences, would not have given a big frick you to the NCAA and the college football world.
5- Auburn was already guilty, AT LEAST, of knowing that Cam was ineligible. In all probability, they were already guilty of much worse. Playing him against Georgia was a tacit admission of guilt.
1- OBVIOUSLY, the NCAA can't allow people to shop around their sons for hundreds of thousands of dollars with the defense that the players didn't know about it or everybody would be doing it. Therefore, there's an existing rule against it.
2- Because of number 1, Cam Newton was OBVIOUSLY ineligible for the Georgia game and every game before that.
3- Number 2 doesn't require a rocket scientist. Auburn University officials therefore DELIBERATELY played an ineligible player.
4- An innocent program, faced with severe long term consequences, would not have given a big frick you to the NCAA and the college football world.
5- Auburn was already guilty, AT LEAST, of knowing that Cam was ineligible. In all probability, they were already guilty of much worse. Playing him against Georgia was a tacit admission of guilt.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 9:28 am to tigerinridgeland
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This all came to light ten games in. If he is ruled ineligible they give up all of those wins anyway why not play him and hope for the best. If this was week three or four you sit him just in case week ten if he cheated your screwed anyway.
As shady as Butch Davis runs a program, UNC's administration got my respect for sitting half the team's starters just at the hint of impropriety.
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it isn't "hearsay" that Cecil asked for money for his son to play. "Witnesses" have publicly stated that they heard him do so. It may be an issue of someone lying or credibility of witnesses, but that is a different question, not of hearsy.
Bump. Don't want this part lost in the paragraph.
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Not a single person involved has even HINTED at ANY wrong doing by AU.
Quote: "Nov 12th, ESPN reports that a source stated that he was contacted by an emotional Cam Newton stating his regret that he would not be playing for MSU, as his father had chosen Auburn because "the money was too much".
That's a hint and a half directed at your arse.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 9:31 am to I Love Bama
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Newton's father owned a small trucking company with two drivers. After Newton signed they were flushed with so many contracts that a dozen drivers were hired.
I'll politely ask again for the name of the trucking company, provided this information you have posted is not based on hearsay and therefore incorrect.
By posting this information, you appear to be in "the know" so it should be rather easy for you to comply with a simple request.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 9:37 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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WTF????
There is no evidence against AU and no allegations. Not a single one. Nothing. Nada. Not a single person involved has even HINTED at ANY wrong doing by AU.
So, what evidence? Answer, there is none.
AU met with the NCAA last week.
AU is going to be cleared very very soon.
Book it.
awwwww, cute. You probably think OJ didn't do it too, huh?
Posted on 11/14/10 at 9:40 am to I Love Bama
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Man you are the biggest ITAT troll that has ever come to Tigerdroppings. My girlfriend and her family are VERY politically involved at Auburn and even they can admit that things are not looking good. You are a nobody.
1. I do not read ITAT. Probably been there a half dozen times in my LIFE.
2. Your girlfriend and her family who are politically involved? Umm. Ok. I won't bother to tell you how many of my family members are AU grads and positions some have held and currently hold at AU. It is extensive.
I am sorry you have convicted AU with no evidence. I have not.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 9:44 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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1. I do not read ITAT. Probably been there a half dozen times in my LIFE.
2. Your girlfriend and her family who are politically involved? Umm. Ok. I won't bother to tell you how many of my family members are AU grads and positions some have held and currently hold at AU. It is extensive.
I am sorry you have convicted AU with no evidence. I have not.
Pissing matches on the internet make your dick grow bigger IRL. True story.
Also, my post above yours applies to you as well.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 9:51 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Bottom Line, I am just going to sit back and watch the downfall of a shady program. Regardless if AU gets anything taken, they will always be a joke of a school to the rest of college football. Toomers corner will never be the same. Burn the trees. 
Posted on 11/14/10 at 9:57 am to JOHNN
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Did you have the part where Rogers has told two TOTALLY different stories in interviews with the same radio station within a weeks time?
When the FBI became involved...you dont lie...that would be bad and probably confining and unhealthy.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 10:05 am to Cruiserhog
Keep saying that, There are no tapes, there is no evidence, FBI these are the droids you are looking for....works every time,....as long as you are a Jedi Master in Movie
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