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Posted on 11/28/10 at 10:04 pm to Hog Springs
Posted on 11/28/10 at 10:11 pm to Dawgs1980
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The fact that Auburn is still playing him, it shows the lack of institutional control, and don't worry about, they will suffer, and they will suffer badly.
Even with all of the information they have the NCAA has already met with Auburn and didn't say he was ineligible.
If you have really done your research then you will see that the NCAA has never ruled a player ineligible upon the conclusion that he was not aware of the solicitation or wrong-doing.
*I AM NOT SAYING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER THAT CAM KNEW HIS DAD SOLICITED MSU. The NCAA hasn't proven that Cam was part of the process yet so therefore he hasn't been ruled ineligible.
I don't trust Dye or Lowder so I think all of the allegations are plausible.
This post was edited on 11/28/10 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 11/28/10 at 10:38 pm to Marines4Auburn
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Marines4Auburn
I can respect that opinion, but in my interpretations of both the NCAA and SEC rules, the players awareness really doesnt matter. And remember, there are probably more facts that haven't been released yet to the public.
Also, I'm not sure that there has been a case like this presented to the NCAA. Also remember the NCAA will only rule him ineligible at the CONCLUSION of their investigation. Until then, it is up to Auburn.
Also, as stated before, the fact that the FBI is involved in investigating this makes it even worse for Auburn. They aren't going to investigate just one player getting paid to play at one school. They also don't get involved in cases where there is nothing to it, all made up, and there isn't any evidence to it
This post was edited on 11/28/10 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 11/28/10 at 10:42 pm to Dawgs1980
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the FBI
They are down here because we have guys like Bobby Lowder who was the CEO of a bank the received funds from the government. Add that to Milton McGregor's connections with Auburn and you have plenty of incentive for the FBI to pay a visit to Auburn.
Both parties have been exonerated up to this point.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 10:46 pm to Marines4Auburn
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They are down here because we have guys like Bobby Lowder who was the CEO of a bank the received funds from the government. Add that to Milton McGregor's connections with Auburn and you have plenty of incentive for the FBI to pay a visit to Auburn.
What about the fact that the FBI interviewed John Bond, I don't believe he has any connections to Lowder and Co and the Colonial Bank or the Victoryland Casino
This post was edited on 11/28/10 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 11/28/10 at 10:51 pm to Dawgs1980
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What about the fact that the FBI interviewed John Bond, I don't believe he has any connections to Lowder and Co and the Colonial Bank or the Victoryland Casino
Yes, he's a Mississippi State former player/booster who talked with another Mississippi State former player/booster about an alleged plan by another Mississippi State former player/booster to offer illegal benefits to Cecil Newton to get his son to come play at Mississippi State.
Dammit, you're right. The Feds had to have asked him about Auburn.
This post was edited on 11/28/10 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 11/28/10 at 10:56 pm to FearlessFreep
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Yes, he's a Mississippi State former player/booster who talked with another Mississippi State former player/booster about an alleged plan by another Mississippi State former player/booster to offer illegal benefits to Cecil Newton to get his son to come play at Mississippi State.
Why would the FBI investigate that, aren't they involved in things ALOT bigger than one person or a member of his family allegedly asking for money to play at a school that he didn't actually attend?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 11:01 pm to Dawgs1980
quote:Better question - why the hell would the FBI be investigating a college football player at all?
Why would the FBI investigate that, aren't they involved in things ALOT bigger than one person or a member of his family allegedly asking for money to play at a school that he didn't actually attend?
And if Cecil Newton got money from AU boosters to get his son to play there, why do they give a damn what John Bond has to say?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 11:04 pm to Hog Springs
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 11:32 pm to emanresu
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And unless Bill Bell, Kenny Rogers, John Bond, and the Miss. State AD are all liars, it's just a matter of time, but until then be in denial.
This is the funny part. Let's see, in his story, Kenny Roges supposedly knew exactly who he met with that night at the hotel in Starkville, knew what Cecil said, but when asked exactly what Cecil asked for and said, his response was "Well, I can't remember exactly what he said, but basically..." C'mon. Give me a break.
Oh, and your boy Bill Bell...yeah, he has those text messages b/w him and Cecil, but THAT cell phone got damaged by water. I guess the dog ate his homework in grade school too. These guys are tools just looking to get their school some free publicity at a star player's expense. Both these guys are fakes and liars. How else do you explain getting investigated by the NFLPA for posing as an a player agent?
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Can one Auburn fan stand up and say that they know that they are in deep shite and admit that they just want to win the MNC and worry about the consequences after the season is over with?
Um, no. AU isn't being investigated and hasn't been charged with doing anything wrong. Look, I don't think AU or MSU is going to get an any trouble, but you need to get your facts straight before you come on here spoutin' off at the mouth.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 11:39 pm to FearlessFreep
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Better question - why the hell would the FBI be investigating a college football player at all?
That is EXACTLY why Auburn fans should be worried, but if Georgia was in the same situation I would do the same exact thing. Lets win this thing now, they can "officially" take it away from us, but the season will always be remembered in the minds of Auburn fans and I really dont blame you
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And if Cecil Newton got money from AU boosters to get his son to play there, why do they give a damn what John Bond has to say?
Because, if the alleged wire taps happened, they might have wanted to go to Miss State to see if it happened there to, but then that goes back to whole thing of why the frick would the FBI care about that.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 11:44 pm to AUfan87
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Cecil asked for and said, his response was "Well, I can't remember exactly what he said, but basically..." C'mon. Give me a break.
Can you honestly tell me that you can remember the exact words of someone else you had a conversation with 9 months ago.
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Bill Bell...yeah, he has those text messages b/w him and Cecil, but THAT cell phone got damaged by water
You have also never had a damaged cell phone either.
But regardless if they all are liars why would the Mississippi State Athletic Director come out and say
“During the recruitment of a football prospective student-athlete, Mississippi State was approached with an offer to provide an extra benefit. This offer was refused.
“MSU alerted the Southeastern Conference about the offer. MSU did not have any specific incriminating information about any other school, and thus could not provide any.
“As Commissioner Slive mentioned today, the SEC is not an investigative body. MSU has cooperated fully and completely with the NCAA from the time it began asking for our assistance, and looks forward to providing any and all help in this ongoing investigation.”
THIS means that money was solicited for the services of Cam Newton. So how can you honestly tell me that Bell, Rogers, Bond are all liars.
And if this is the ONLY thing that happened, Cam Newton is ineligible to play at any SEC school, which also means he is ineligible in regards to the NCAA. I am pretty sure I have the facts to back up my statements.
-SEC Rulebook
-NCAA Rulebook
-Miss State AD Quote
-Bill Bell spoke to the FBI, if he lied to them, he would go to jail, WHY would he lie, and he confirmed what Rogers and Bond have also said
This post was edited on 11/28/10 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:46 am to Dawgs1980
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Can you honestly tell me that you can remember the exact words of someone else you had a conversation with 9 months ago.
If I'm having a conversation about something that I KNOW IS ILLEGAL, absolutely! You're going to remember that type of conversation word-for-word and never forget it. If this alleged meeting actually happened (Lord, who knows), the conversation isn't some shoot-the-breeze-on-a-Saturday-afternoon talk. It's serious stuff.
It's like being robbed. Sure, the example may be extreme, but I'm going to remember every single detail and every single word said in a situation that terrifying. If you're having a conversation about paying a COLLEGE PLAYER hundreds of thousands of dollars, that would be terrifying and you wouldn't forget anything that was said. Rogers is a liar and has a VERY strong track record as such. But you can believe what you want to.
As far as the rest of your post, again, believe what you want to. We've already beat the horse to a pulp with all the scenarios.Rogers also said that Cam's dad never directly asked for money, but he inferred it. In what way did he infer it? Dang, no answer.
But I'm not saying Miss. St. is lying. They may have been approached with a pay-for-play deal. But how does anybody know that Rogers wasn't the one who instigated it? That Rogers was the one that approached Cecil Newton first, and now he's just trying to place blame elsewhere? We don't know. I also find it interesting that we haven't heard a peep from your AD at the time of Cam's recruitment, Greg Byrnes. Also, if something was wrong, why in the world did Miss. St. keep recruiting Cam?
There are just way too many holes in these stories. Better yet, these clowns can't step up and provide any PROOF, and apparently whatever the Three Stooges have turned over hasn't been damning enough to warrant a suspension or to be declared ineligible.
The NCAA met with Auburn, Cam and his parents the Thursday before the UGA game. Nothing came of it. Until something else comes up, there's nothing else to talk about.
This post was edited on 11/29/10 at 12:55 am
Posted on 11/29/10 at 12:56 am to AUfan87
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AUfan87
Okay, don't take Rogers at his word, okay. But what about
-Bill Bell, who has admitted it
-John Bond, who has admitted it and met with the FBI and stated such. Remember, the FBI is different from the NCAA, you lie to the NCAA, yes you get in trouble, but you lie to the FBI, you go to jail. WHY would John Bond, an educated man, LIE about this.
-Miss State AD, who stated “During the recruitment of a football prospective student-athlete, Mississippi State was approached with an offer to provide an extra benefit. This offer was refused."
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Rogers also said that Cam's dad never directly asked for money, but he inferred it. In what way did he infer it? Dang, no answer.
The SEC bylaws specifically states "directly or indirectly" in regards to this situation.
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The NCAA met with Auburn, Cam and his parents the Thursday before the UGA game
Yes, they recommended that he be sat out, they didn't, and will most likely pay for it by having more severe consequences. Remember, until the NCAA finishes their investigation, they cannot rule a player ineligible, only the University can do that at the present time, which they have shown their not going to do.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 1:01 am to Dawgs1980
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Yes, they recommended that he be sat out, they didn't
So funny how people who dont have a clue about conversations between AU/NCAA speak with 100% certainty as if they were in the room
Oh, i forgot, Tuna's thread said the NCAA told Cam to sit, so it's true.
You have to be a bammer dawgs1980
Posted on 11/29/10 at 1:37 am to Dawgs1980
WE'VE LANDED ON THE MOON!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 11/29/10 at 1:56 am to Aeronaut
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You've made a complete fool of yourself and you are certainly not a uga fan.
How, by bringing into this conversation the very thing that will decide this case, both the NCAA and SEC rulebooks. Sorry for bringing OBJECTIVITY to this situation. And you can think I am a fan of whatever team you want to believe that I am, but I bleed Red and Black.
This post was edited on 11/29/10 at 1:58 am
Posted on 11/29/10 at 2:03 am to Marines4Auburn
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Both parties have been exonerated up to this point.
Absolutely NOT true. The SEC nor NCAA will exonerate ANY player or school until the investigation is completed. The NCAA won't even make a preliminary ruling on eligibility. They let the school perform their review and make their own assessment.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 2:08 am to AUfan87
AUfan87,
Cecil Admits It - SEE LINK
LINK
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It's like being robbed. Sure, the example may be extreme, but I'm going to remember every single detail and every single word said in a situation that terrifying. If you're having a conversation about paying a COLLEGE PLAYER hundreds of thousands of dollars, that would be terrifying and you wouldn't forget anything that was said. Rogers is a liar and has a VERY strong track record as such. But you can believe what you want to. As far as the rest of your post, again, believe what you want to. We've already beat the horse to a pulp with all the scenarios.Rogers also said that Cam's dad never directly asked for money, but he inferred it. In what way did he infer it? Dang, no answer.
Cecil Admits It - SEE LINK
LINK
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