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re: Brian Kelly can’t say that he loves beating Georgia.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 12:37 pm to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 5/8/23 at 12:37 pm to SidewalkTiger
Dude, come on. He didn’t take Notre dame to the pinnacle. He was another bad season away from getting forced out.
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Posted on 5/8/23 at 12:40 pm to SidewalkTiger
Kelly is an elite Division 2 coach.
He's a pretty good FBS coach, but not elite.
Sorry.
And... I notice you didn't do your "select group of coaches" measure for ND. Wonder why that is?
I'll tell you why. Here is the "select" list of Notre Dame coaches who had 6 or more seasons at ND who didn't win a national title or finish with an undefeated season before the AP poll came out.
Elmer Layden... and Brian Kelly.
Pretty select group there.
He's a pretty good FBS coach, but not elite.
Sorry.
And... I notice you didn't do your "select group of coaches" measure for ND. Wonder why that is?
I'll tell you why. Here is the "select" list of Notre Dame coaches who had 6 or more seasons at ND who didn't win a national title or finish with an undefeated season before the AP poll came out.
Elmer Layden... and Brian Kelly.
Pretty select group there.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 12:48 pm to Uga Alum
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Dude, come on. He didn’t take Notre dame to the pinnacle.
As I've said earlier in this thread, Notre Dame has never won a national championship game, all of their titles are claimed.
They would've likely claimed 2012 as well if the BCS wouldn't have existed.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 12:49 pm to DawginSC
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And... I notice you didn't do your "select group of coaches" measure for ND. Wonder why that is?
Because I never claimed he was an elite Notre Dame coach.
Notre Dame is a very different program today than they were in the 80's and prior.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 12:54 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Notre Dame is a very different program today than they were in the 80's and prior.
Lol... ya think?
Posted on 5/8/23 at 12:56 pm to TigerLunatik
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Lol... ya think?
Seems like a few Georgia fans think they should be winning national titles despite not really being top 10 in any metric of elite program support.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 5/8/23 at 1:01 pm to SidewalkTiger
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The top level of achievement at Grand Valley State is winning a national championship, only two coaches have done so. Those coaches would be considered the elite of Grand Valley football.
The top level of achievement at Cincinnati is appearing in a NY6 bowl game, only two coaches have done so. Those coaches would be considered the elite of Cincinnati football.
Brian Kelly was one of the two coaches at each stop to reach that top level of achievement.
Now I am quite sure you will find a way to deflect from being proven wrong (yet again) but at least I will have made an honest attempt to help you with your lack of understanding.
Lol wrong again, but keep trying!
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:28 pm to SidewalkTiger
Notre Dame just needs an elite coach and they will be better than anything LSU can produce. BK isn’t elite.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:31 pm to Uga Alum
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Notre Dame just needs an elite coach
Then that means that it isn't a better job than LSU, dumbass.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:36 pm to TigerLunatik
No, Notre Dame needs an elite coach to go on an Alabama (and soon to be Georgia) run. Notre Dame could win a fluke natty like LSU without an elite coach. If Auburn can win a fluke natty, so can Notre Dame.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:48 pm to Uga Alum
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Notre Dame just needs an elite coach and they will be better than anything LSU can produce. BK isn’t elite.
Cool, LSU doesn't need an elite coach to win a championship.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:55 pm to DrewDawg13
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Why are we picking random numbers?? All time it's ND and it's not even close.
Random? I just checked the W/L of both programs and decided that was a bit of a tipping point. I said LSU was by far the superior program since about 1997. That is a fact, and not random. I did note that LSU (it could be argued) passed ND before 1997, but I am not going all the way through both of their histories.
And nobody has argue that ND has been the superior program across history. I merely stated that very few people care about the 1930's, 40's, 50's, 60's or 70's.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:59 pm to SidewalkTiger
Just the next Joe Burrow
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:59 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Cool, LSU doesn't need an elite coach to win a championship.
This is also true.
UGA came incredibly close to winning a national title several times with a "pretty good" head coach in Mark Richt. 2002, 2007, 2012 were all UGA teams that had their been a 12 team playoff would have been among the betting favorites to win it all despite Richt not being elite.
Schools with built in recruiting advantages like UGA, LSU, Bama, OSU, USC can be in the mix for titles with less than elite coaches. But with elite coaches they're among the top 6-7 every year and sometimes can put together impressive runs.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:05 pm to DawgsLife
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Random? I just checked the W/L of both programs and decided that was a bit of a tipping point. I said LSU was by far the superior program since about 1997. That is a fact, and not random. I did note that LSU (it could be argued) passed ND before 1997, but I am not going all the way through both of their histories.
And nobody has argue that ND has been the superior program across history. I merely stated that very few people care about the 1930's, 40's, 50's, 60's or 70's.
Well, it's not really random, but rather cherry picked.
Lou Holtz's last season at ND was in 1996 and you started with 1997. You picked the year after ND's last really good coach left.
The coaches since are Bob Davie, Tyrone Willingham, Charlie Weiss, Brian Kelly and now Marcus Freeman.
While the jury is still out of Freeman, that's a whole lot of average to sucky after Holtz. Consider the guys leading up to that group were Lou Holtz (national champ), Gerry Faust (failure), Dan Devine (national champ) and Ara Parseghian (2 national champs).
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:07 pm to Uga Alum
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No, Notre Dame needs an elite coach to go on an Alabama (and soon to be Georgia) run.
Every school needs that. What point do you think that you're making?
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:07 pm to meansonny
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Just the next Joe Burrow
LSU has won titles without Joe Burrow.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:11 pm to SidewalkTiger
Is nick Saban coming back through baton rouge?
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:12 pm to meansonny
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Is nick Saban coming back through baton rouge?
Have won titles without him too.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:17 pm to DawginSC
Just for fun, here are all the division 1 bowl wins that Brian Kelly has ever had:
Citrus Bowl (x2)
Camping World
Music City
Pinstripe
Sun
Papa Johns
International
That's... it. In 20 seasons in division 1 football... that's his highlight reel.
Now let's pick a pretty good coach at a less that top level school. Mike Gundy. He's been at the division 1 level for 17 years.
His bowl wins?
Fiesta (x2)
Liberty
Alamo (x2)
Independence
Camping World
Heart of Texas
Cheeze-It
Insight
Cactus.
That's more bowl wins and better bowls (2 BCS level bowls).
How about Kirk Ferentz? Been at Iowa for 23 seasons.
Orange
Capital One
Outback (x3)
Music City
Alamo
Holiday
Pinstripe
Insight
That's also superior to Kelly.
Those are his similar comparisons. Those are all solid coaches. You just have to realize that those are the guys in the same range as him as a coach. Not Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier, Urban Meyer or Kirby Smart.
Citrus Bowl (x2)
Camping World
Music City
Pinstripe
Sun
Papa Johns
International
That's... it. In 20 seasons in division 1 football... that's his highlight reel.
Now let's pick a pretty good coach at a less that top level school. Mike Gundy. He's been at the division 1 level for 17 years.
His bowl wins?
Fiesta (x2)
Liberty
Alamo (x2)
Independence
Camping World
Heart of Texas
Cheeze-It
Insight
Cactus.
That's more bowl wins and better bowls (2 BCS level bowls).
How about Kirk Ferentz? Been at Iowa for 23 seasons.
Orange
Capital One
Outback (x3)
Music City
Alamo
Holiday
Pinstripe
Insight
That's also superior to Kelly.
Those are his similar comparisons. Those are all solid coaches. You just have to realize that those are the guys in the same range as him as a coach. Not Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier, Urban Meyer or Kirby Smart.
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