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Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:39 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:39 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Correct, which is why he had to either hire old guys he still trusted somewhat (Steele) or take chances on guys younger and more green than he ever would have (Rees).
Exactly! But, it's not sexy to talk about quality of coaching. People rather talk about players getting money and transferring which is something that is LAW now. I honestly think the players are better behaved now b/c they are making more money and they don't want to mess their money up.
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Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:41 pm to Shaft Williams
Just look at the guys leaving the Alabama roster now that were almost all highly regarded and are now ending up at Kentucky, Baylor and Kansas. Part of that is bad evals of guys who aren't actually that talented, but part of it is 3rd year players who never developed because the position coaches the last 2-3 years have been average at best.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:43 pm to wartiger2004
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He ain’t wrong
This. Was predictable
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:43 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Just look at the guys leaving the Alabama roster now that were almost all highly regarded and are now ending up at Kentucky, Baylor and Kansas. Part of that is bad evals, but part of it is 3rd year players who never developed because the position coaches the last 2-3 years have been average at best.
We're on the same frequency! Very well said. That's what happened to Milroe (even though he didn't transfer) if we're honest about it. Milroe was recruited by Sark and once Sark (and Milwee) left, QB development at Bama has been lacking, and Milroe got lost in the sauce.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:46 pm to Shaft Williams
I'm not sold on DeBoer at this point, but the fact that 3 of our most consistent players this season in terms of getting the most of their talent and always seemingly making the right play/cut/block were the 3 guys who followed him and his staff from Washington (Brailsford, Bernard, Cuevas) at least gives me some hope that maybe parts of the roster will be developed.
The number of guys the last few years that just kind of showed up and never seemed to change was depressing. When you can count on your hand the number of guys you saw improve (Jihaad........I mean I don't know not a whole lot of others), it's not a good sign.
The number of guys the last few years that just kind of showed up and never seemed to change was depressing. When you can count on your hand the number of guys you saw improve (Jihaad........I mean I don't know not a whole lot of others), it's not a good sign.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:46 pm to Lgrnwd
I am wondering if Alabama losing the best coach in history might have anything to do with this year’s dip.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 1/3/25 at 5:55 pm to Lgrnwd
Brain dead take counter to recruiting realities. The problem is more complicated than the paying players, it is the combo of paying players and having permanent free agency. And the permanent free agency being the real roster continuity issue. The top programs are losing a recruiting class worth of people each off-season these days. You can keep on bringing in top talent but it is hard to build depth. So if you have more cyclical rosters at the top. Ohio State just got caught quarterbackless last year and underperformed. It happened to Michigan this year. Georgia lost a bunch of skill player production from the 2021-2023 run and didn’t replace it with guys ready to seize the opportunity. Alabama had a retirement portal window that led to them losing their best player on offense and defense to two playoff teams.
The money isn’t the problem, it is the lack of contractual obligations from the players because college administrators don’t want them to be classified as employees. If you’re successful, your depth gets poached by the rest of the sport and when the front line goes pro you don’t have anyone with experience ready to go. It’s going to happen to every program now even if they spend 20-25m a year.
The money isn’t the problem, it is the lack of contractual obligations from the players because college administrators don’t want them to be classified as employees. If you’re successful, your depth gets poached by the rest of the sport and when the front line goes pro you don’t have anyone with experience ready to go. It’s going to happen to every program now even if they spend 20-25m a year.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 1/3/25 at 6:09 pm to Bamadog75
Milroe $2.5M. Wait! What? I must have missed that. 
Posted on 1/3/25 at 6:10 pm to Diego Ricardo
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Brain dead take counter to recruiting realities. The problem is more complicated than the paying players, it is the combo of paying players and having permanent free agency. And the permanent free agency being the real roster continuity issue. The top programs are losing a recruiting class worth of people each off-season these days. You can keep on bringing in top talent but it is hard to build depth. So if you have more cyclical rosters at the top. Ohio State just got caught quarterbackless last year and underperformed. It happened to Michigan this year. Georgia lost a bunch of skill player production from the 2021-2023 run and didn’t replace it with guys ready to seize the opportunity. Alabama had a retirement portal window that led to them losing their best player on offense and defense to two playoff teams.
The money isn’t the problem, it is the lack of contractual obligations from the players because college administrators don’t want them to be classified as employees. If you’re successful, your depth gets poached by the rest of the sport and when the front line goes pro you don’t have anyone with experience ready to go. It’s going to happen to every program now even if they spend 20-25m a year.
No one will have depth as they did pre-portal/pre-NIL. They will likely have depth that is more in line with the NFL depth.
Furthermore, Ohio State had Kyle McCord last season at QB. McCord is a better QB than Ohio State's current starting QB. Day just misused him and had a bad game plan against Michigan. McCord was the scapegoat for Ohio State losing to Michigan last season and was pushed out. Again, coaching is the main issue b/c talent is dispersed. McCord passed for over 4,000 yards this season at Syracuse.
Michigan I believe thought they could develop Alex Orji and possibly were always in the picture with Bryce Underwood and weren't taking a high-end QB prospect just a year ahead of Bryce.
What happened to Georgia is what happens to everyone in recruiting. About half of the guys in each class won't pan out and it was that case before the portal and NIL.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 1/3/25 at 6:11 pm to OccamsStubble
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This. Was predictable
Just ask Saban. He knew.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 6:16 pm to Lgrnwd
NIL prevents stacking blue chips(elite players are no longer complacent riding Bama’s bench because they give them the best odds of going pro when they can make $500k+ starting for someone like Ole Miss). It also prevents retention of players due to the penalty for transferring(having to sit out)
It will likely operate similarly to the cap system in baseball(while some teams have more money than others, no one can afford to sign everyone)
The interesting part will be how teams utilize their NIL to maximize odds each year, e.g. Texas is wasting a lot of potential as Arch is their highest paid player and he’s riding the bench. It may work out for future seasons, but that money is wasted for this season
It will likely operate similarly to the cap system in baseball(while some teams have more money than others, no one can afford to sign everyone)
The interesting part will be how teams utilize their NIL to maximize odds each year, e.g. Texas is wasting a lot of potential as Arch is their highest paid player and he’s riding the bench. It may work out for future seasons, but that money is wasted for this season
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 1/3/25 at 6:22 pm to Shaft Williams
I saw McCord with my own two eyes in many games last year and he was not good. Glad he found success but going to the ACC from the Big Ten is basically going down a subdivision these days. That conference is not the big time anymore.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 6:22 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Just look at the guys leaving the Alabama roster now that were almost all highly regarded and are now ending up at Kentucky, Baylor and Kansas. Part of that is bad evals of guys who aren't actually that talented, but part of it is 3rd year players who never developed because the position coaches the last 2-3 years have been average at best.
The players no longer care about development, that is why Saban retired. If the man testifies under oath in front of congress, then I believe him.
I'm not qualified to say much about the quality of the staff. I'm sure Saban had to make compromises just like anyone else. I doubt it was worse than any other school though. But motivated players will find a way to develop.
And when you are sitting there one evening with more money than you really know what to do with at the age of 18-22. It's way more appealing to go out and get some strange and what not than it is to spend the evening going over film and/or working on things.
When they don't get their way, they can just transfer. Or just take the next paycheck because that's all they care about.
Before NIL, you had to develop into an elite player and make it in the NFL. You had to put in the work, want to be developed and all that. Alabama had a team full of those type of people.
And now we have a team full of kids getting paid for their existing talent who have less desire and/or need to go further. Their attitudes suck on the field, I doubt it's much better off.
Ain't no way coaching dropped off so much it made Saban want to retire. The players and their families made Saban want to retire.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 6:23 pm to 3down10
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Ain't no way coaching dropped off so much it made Saban want to retire. The players and their families made Saban want to retire.
I don't think the coaches being bad or subpar made him want to retire. I do think the age issue started to really become a problem when he was trying to put together quality staffs.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 1/3/25 at 6:27 pm to Diego Ricardo
That's bullshite. The ACC isn't that much of a drop-off from the B10. And, in all fairness, some guys do improve. Day's game plans his last two games against Michigan have sucked.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 6:33 pm to Lolathon234
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NIL prevents stacking blue chips(elite players are no longer complacent riding Bama’s bench because they give them the best odds of going pro when they can make $500k+ starting for someone like Ole Miss). It also prevents retention of players due to the penalty for transferring(having to sit out)
There is a little difference with the instant in conference transfers, but the recruiting/transfer data doesn't support this much at all.
The players Ole Miss is getting aren't as highly rated as they were coming out of highschool in the majority of cases. When they are rated higher as a transfer, it's coming from schools like OSU and Nebraska rather than SEC schools. IIRC, there was a kid they got from Arkansas that was higher rated as a transfer than HS.
They still after all that don't have a top10 class.
Here are the 2 most interesting data points I've found.
24/7 has the overall team rankings that includes recruits and transfers.
2025 Overall Football Team Rankings
And then I like this from On3 that has kind of a tally of incoming vs outcoming. You can see who has improving with the transfers. I don't pay much attention to the rankings themselves since it's only 1 part of it. But it's good data on a per team basis.
2025 College Football Team Transfer Portal Rankings
Ole Miss improves despite not quite the quality advertised. Michigan dumped a ton of dead weight it seems.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 1/3/25 at 6:35 pm to 3down10
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The players no longer care about development, that is why Saban retired. If the man testifies under oath in front of congress, then I believe him.
We also had a SCOTUS justice who wouldn't say if she knew what a woman was in front of Congress, under oath. Do you believe her too? Stop with all the Saban worship. That shite is ridiculous especially coming from an adult.
As long as the coaches were directing the turnover and medically redshirting guys it was fine. But, as soon as the players get some power and they're evaluating the coaches, adjudging their financials, and making moves based off that it is a problem.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 1/3/25 at 6:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I didn’t bother with it in my first post but I’d agree that a broad problem with the last 3 years of the Saban regime being universally awful on the offensive coaching staff led to a lot of shoddy evals and poor player development. That’s how you have an offensive minded coach take over Alabama but the offense struggled yet the defense was the best it had been since 2017 in many metrics. It is telling that Alabama’s 3 best offensive players in my opinion were two UDub players and a true freshman.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 6:45 pm to Lgrnwd
Who is this idiot, again?
Posted on 1/3/25 at 7:12 pm to Lgrnwd
Brandon Walker is a tool and always has been lol
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