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re: Bielema was a long term fix, not a short term fix spread offense coach

Posted on 10/24/13 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29286 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 1:26 pm to
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is that the point you were trying to make originally or are you now just grasping at anything? you sure took the long way around to get there.


That is the point I was making all along, yes.
Posted by finestfirst79
Vicksburg, Mississippi
Member since Nov 2012
11646 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 1:28 pm to
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couldn't beat the University of South Panola


This may be lost on folks outside the state, but I like it.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 1:30 pm to
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For instance here is the answer to a trivia question: Mack Brown and Phil Fulmer.

The question? Who are the only 2 coaches to win a BCS Title that had not won their first one within the first 3 years of getting their job.


Your list is incomplete.

Bobby Bowden won the MNC in 1993 and the BCS title in 1999. Took over WAY before then.

Nick Saban won at LSU in year 4, as did Pete Carroll.

But if we're just counting BCS titles:

1998 - Fulmer (year 7)
1999 - Bowden (year 24)
2000 - Stoops (year 2)
2001 - Coker (year 1)
2002 - Tressell (year 2)
2003 - Saban (year 4)
*2004 - Carroll (year 4)
2005 - Brown (year 8)
2006 - Meyer (year 2)
2007 - Miles (year 3)
2008 - Meyer (year 4)
2009 - Saban (year 3)
2010 - Chizik (year 2)
2011 - Saban (year 5)
2012 - Saban (year 6)
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
107235 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 1:33 pm to
Amazing what hog fans come up with to soothe their pain.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 1:56 pm to
Let me go ahead and shred this moron's argument about A&M point by point:

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Consider a final spread coach. Texas A&M needed a quick fix. Texas was reeling and the Aggies needed to make a move to assert themselves.


Texas was reeling in 2010, not in 2011. Texas had a better 2011 season than A&M did.

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They were moving to the SEC and needed a good first impression to maintain recruiting and support in the state.


All they needed was a winning season.

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A number of consecutive top 10 recruiting classes under Mike Sherman were going to waste with a 7-6 team in 2011.


Mike Sherman didn't have a single top 15 class, let alone top 10. Dennis Franchione had a top 10 class in 2003 and 2005 and parlayed them into shitty results. When Mike Sherman first took over, A&M only had 4 returning scholarship offensive linemen.

The reason Mike Sherman was fired was because, in addition to the fact that he publicly criticized A&M's decision to move to the SEC, out of A&M's six losses in 2011, and even in two of their wins, they fell completely apart in the second half.

-Led Oklahoma State 20-3 at half, lost 30-29.
-Led Arkansas 35-17 at half, lost 42-38.
-Led Texas Tech 31-20 at half, won 45-40.
-Led Missouri 28-17 after 3, lost 38-31.
-Trailed Oklahoma 13-10 at half, 41-10 after 3.
-Led Kansas State 34-24 with 5 minutes left in the game, lost 53-51.
-Led Texas 16-7 at half. Lost 27-25.
-Led Northwestern 30-7 in the fourth. Won 33-22.

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So they hired Kevin Sumlin, a Bob Stoops disciple.


Sumlin was not a Bob Stoops disciple, he was a Joe Tiller disciple. He had already been a wide receiver coach at Purdue and A&M, and an offensive coordinator at A&M prior to going to Oklahoma. Of the coordinators he had as a head coach, FOUR are head coaches (Kliff Kingsbury, Brian Polian, Dana Holgorson, Andy Levine). One of those coaches is unbeaten.

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It’s very obvious they were going for the quick fix, and boy did they get it. They got Johnny Manziel and Mike Evans out of nowhere. They took the conference by storm.


Completely intellectually dishonest analysis by the author. Sumlin was hired because of his ties to Texas high schools, his ability to recruit through his staff, and his personality. To chalk up the 2012 season solely to Johnny Manziel and Mike Evans completely disregards the performances and the talent across the team completely wasted by Mike Sherman's bad coaching.

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But the good news ends there. The Aggies lost at home to Auburn over the weekend to drop their SEC home record to 3-4 since joining the conference. They’ve already lost two games this season, with LSU and Missouri still on the schedule.


Something he's leaving out? Perhaps the fact that A&M is 8-0 on the road in the SEC since joining the conference, with LSU and Missouri ON THE ROAD?

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Worse yet, Manziel and Evans are likely gone to the NFL at year’s end. Does anyone honestly think that Sumlin will ever have another player of Manziel’s caliber?


Does he need one? If the 2014 Offense is 70% as effective as the 2013 offense (32-35 points per game as opposed to 47) but the defense holds opponents to 20 points per game instead of 35 points per game, that's an increase in wins.

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Has he peaked already, just like his mentor Stoops did? If so, it’s not good news for the Aggies, who despite their success have yet to sniff an SEC West title.


Bob Stoops appeared in the 2000, 2003, 2004, and 2008 National Title games.

If Kevin Sumlin appears in 4 playoff title games and only wins 1...that's still a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.
This post was edited on 10/24/13 at 1:58 pm
Posted by See5
Member since Jul 2012
958 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 2:31 pm to
Where does this spread=quick fix BS come from? And there are so many types of spread offenses that you couldn't possibly classify them all as the same.
This post was edited on 10/24/13 at 2:32 pm
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38475 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:43 pm to
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It's funny because our guys aren't writing articles about what if we hired Beliema.
Posted by LA kid but AU fan
Jay Prosch Fan Club: Historian
Member since Apr 2007
4634 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:50 pm to
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Where does this spread=quick fix BS come from?


Desperation & wishful thinking
Posted by Texas Tea
Ags against the World
Member since Aug 2013
2242 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:52 pm to
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Amazing what hog fans come up with to soothe their pain.



Meth, usually.
Posted by DropKick70
South Beach
Member since Jul 2011
1043 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 4:56 pm to

Let me guess.........hogville.net
Posted by wartiger2004
Proud LGB Supporter! JESUS IS LORD,
Member since Aug 2011
19076 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 5:25 pm to
Just read the whole thread. Got to say solid sail OP too bad the ship is still taking on water and y'all need to throw that fat sperm whale overboard.
This post was edited on 10/24/13 at 5:26 pm
Posted by Hubbhogg
Our AD Sucks
Member since Dec 2010
13532 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 5:43 pm to
Nice sail
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
20979 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 6:00 pm to
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enjoy your mediocrity

bert can't handle the SEC and I'm not just talking play calls...he's in over his head



But he sure can pack away the groceries...
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