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re: Bielema was a long term fix, not a short term fix spread offense coach

Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:02 am to
Posted by Crimson Legend
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:02 am to
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Bielema was a long term fix


We don't know that, but it doesn't look good.

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not a short term fix


Now THAT we damn sure know.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:05 am to
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none of it are facts

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no 4-2-5 defense has ever played for a national title, despite the defense’s abundance.

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John Jenkins was among the first great spread coaches. His Run-N-Shoot offense helped Andre Ware win the 1989 Heisman trophy and the Cougs win ten games. After Ware came David Klingler, who had a good season in 1990 and owns the NCAA record for passing yards in a game. But then, curiously, right when Jenkins should have been hitting his stride, the Cougars collapsed. Texas A&M defensive coordinator Bob Davie noticed that the Houston offense was all about matchups, just like all spread offenses. To stop it, he popularized (in college) the “zone blitz,” which successfully disguised all matchups and blitzes before the snap. The entire rhythm of the Run-N-Shoot was thrown off, and Houston plummeted in the win column. Jenkins was fired after a 4-7 season in 1992, and the Run-N-Shoot vanished from the college ranks.

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But the fun didn’t last. Purdue never won ten games, and Tiller’s best two seasons were his arguably his first two. He was fired after going 4-8 in 2008, having been unable to sustain his once-promising system. After trying another quick fix in coach Danny Hope, the Boilermakers have since hired pro-style coach Darrell Hazell to build for the long-term.

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Bob Stoops, Oklahoma, 1999: The Sooners spent most of the 1900s wallowing in mediocrity, but Stoops, formerly Steve Spurrier’s defensive coordinator, hired hotshot offensive guru Mike Leach to install an Air Raid offense to complement his defense. Stoops got the Sooners back to a bowl in his first season, and then won a national championship with a junior college transfer QB in 2000.
Urban Meyer, Florida, 2005: Like Stoops, Meyer inherited a strong program fallen on harder times after Ron Zook’s collapse. He installed a spread offense and quickly won 10 games in 2005, and then claimed the national title with a mobile QB Chris Leak in his second season.
Chad Morris, Clemson, 2011: Hot-seat coach Dabo Swinney hired Morris, a Malzahn disciple, to save his job. Morris’s offense, and young quarterback Tajh Boyd, instantly blossomed. Clemson immediately won the ACC title and has won 10 games each of the last two years, and will likely do so again. Morris is currently the nation’s highest-paid offensive coordinator with good reason.

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Of course, there’s also a dark side to the quick fixes. Stoops famously hasn’t won a national title since that one in 2000. He’s only come close once, losing to Florida following the 2008 season. The Sooners’ penchant for losing big games has earned Stoops the nickname “Big Game Bob.” Worse yet, the claim I made earlier about the spread offense being a hard philosophy to “install” beyond a quick fix has shown itself to be true in the Sooners offense, which has constantly evolved over the years.
When the lineup consists of Sam Bradford at quarterback and Adrian Peterson or Demarco Murray at running back, it works. Much of the rest of the time, it doesn’t. Oklahoma owes its current 6-1 start to the defense, as the offense has struggled, never more evident than in a 36-20 loss to rival Texas.

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Florida went 10-2 in Meyer’s first season with Chris Leak at quarterback, but after a national title in year two, the Gators lost three games in 2007 and five games in 2010, and Meyer resigned after Tebow graduated and Nick Saban established himself as the new king of the SEC. Meyer was undeniably successful at Florida, but most agreed that Meyer left Florida after his program had already peaked, and that Tim Tebow deserves much of the credit for all Gator success after the 2006 national title. Without him, when the system was full of “his recruits” not named Tim Tebow, the Gator offense was abysmal and the team went 7-5.
Morris saved Dabo Swinney’s job in quick fashion, but his quarterback Tajh Boyd hasn’t really progressed since a phenomenal freshman season. The Tigers were just dismantled 51-14 on their home field by their “normal American football” rivals at Florida State. This wasn’t a Petrino-versus-Alabama kind of game; Clemson’s recruiting rankings are annually at a high level, unlike what Petrino was working with.

Posted by TeLeFaWx
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:06 am to
Arkansas needed a talent fix, and they hired someone with absolutely no Texas high school football ties. Easily the stupidest thing they could have done. They are the new Ole Miss.
Posted by piggilicious
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:08 am to
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They are the new Ole Miss.


or the a&m two years ago? or the a&m next year?

sumlin- the greatest coach evar with ONE superstar player.
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:08 am to
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no 4-2-5 defense has ever played for a national title, despite the defense’s abundance.


Neither has a Bret Bielema coached team.

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Bob Stoops
14 years at the same school while winning more than 80% of his games and a national title. That is a poor example of a quick fix not being a long term solution.

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Florida went 10-2 in Meyer’s first season
Meyer is another example of a "quick fix" coach that has coached longer and been more successful than Bielema (or just about anyone not named Saban) with his "quick fix" schemes.
This post was edited on 10/24/13 at 11:14 am
Posted by TigerBait2008
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:08 am to
Nah most a&m fans say they won't miss a beat without JFF..
Posted by parkjas2001
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:09 am to
This guy could not have picked two worse examples of a quick fix coach with no sustainable success.
Posted by WonderWartHawg
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:10 am to
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more progressive offensive philosophies.



Are you kidding me? The 'Spread' type offense has been around since the 40's at least. How is that progressive?

It's like King Solomon said: "There is nothing new under the sun." It applies to football too.
Posted by Lycanblooded
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:10 am to
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sumlin- the greatest coach evar with ONE superstar player


I heard this same stuff about Malzahn's system and Cam and that it wouldn't work without a superstar QB.
Posted by piggilicious
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:11 am to
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I heard this same stuff about Malzahn's system and Cam and that it wouldn't work without a superstar QB.


you heard it about chiz too right?
Posted by Beer Bryant
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:11 am to
Bert is recruiting better than Petrino did.
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:12 am to
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The 'Spread' type offense has been around since the 40's at least. How is that progressive?
I'm sorry, I didn't say "spread type" offenses. Is your argument that Bielema's style of offense is as, or more, progressive than the "quick fix" styles referenced in the article?
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:13 am to
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you heard it about chiz too right?

You know he ran a Arkansas like, Biliema, pro style offense last year right?
Posted by parkjas2001
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:14 am to
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you heard it about chiz too right?



You know he ran a Arkansas like, Biliema, pro style offense last year right?


We should have given Chiz more time!
Posted by TeLeFaWx
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:14 am to
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or the a&m two years ago? or the a&m next year?


That team won a bowl game something Arkansas won't be capable of, and would never have lost a game 50-0 or whatever the Bama score was. You lack talent at every position outside of running backs(which are a dime a dozen) and you lack a coach capable of recruiting.

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sumlin- the greatest coach evar with ONE superstar player.


And the best receiver in the country, and one of the top 3 tackles in the country. If y'all ever had talented players maybe you'd be able to recognize them.
Posted by Lycanblooded
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:14 am to
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you heard it about chiz too right?


No, Chiz didn't have a system. He got a ring from Malzahn's system with Cam running it. No one credit Chiz for that NC even though he was the HC. They credit him for hiring the coach that orchestrated the offense that led to the natty.
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:16 am to
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and you lack a coach capable of recruiting.


that's just idiotic- plain and simple. you obviously know not of what you speak.

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nd one of the top 3 tackles in the country


doing you a lot of good i see. where's the rest of the defense? sumlin's had a year and a&m is like the biggest baddest bitch on the planet right? where's the d at?
This post was edited on 10/24/13 at 11:17 am
Posted by TeLeFaWx
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Member since Aug 2011
29286 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:17 am to
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Bert is recruiting better than Petrino did.


That's not saying much. Petrino didn't even try.
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:17 am to
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. No one credit Chiz for that NC even though he was the HC


horse shite- revisionist history if i've ever seen it.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29286 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:18 am to
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doing you a lot of good i see. where's the rest of the defense? sumlin's had a year and a&m is like the biggest baddest bitch on the planet right? where's the d at?


Defense talent is harder to come by, and takes a lot more time to develop. See LSU.
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