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re: Bielema was a long term fix, not a short term fix spread offense coach

Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:46 am to
Posted by relapse98
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:46 am to
Whatever makes the 5 losses in a row feel better, buddy.
Posted by DC RaiseHerBack
Member since Nov 2006
55445 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:46 am to
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Yall had a 8 month-head start on finding a head coach and you hired Bielema


Better hire than Miles at that time, no?
Posted by MThawg
south
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:46 am to
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Yall had a 8 month-head start on finding a head coach and you hired Bielema


Posted by BoCam2
Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:48 am to
My favorite part is about Malzahn running a spread offense. The quoted poster wanted a reason to bring Gus down as a quick fix coach, but didn't bother finding out what type offense he runs.
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37309 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:48 am to
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Whatever makes


how many posts started with this?

but for realzzzz to every non hog in this thread watch and see bitches.


Posted by Hugh McElroy
Member since Sep 2013
18581 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:50 am to
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A number of consecutive top 10 recruiting classes under Mike Sherman were going to waste with a 7-6 team in 2011.


HA!

2006 - #26
2007 - #43
2008 - #16
2009 - #22
2010 - #17
2011 - #27

Compare to:

2012 - #15
2013 - #11
2014 - will finish in top 10
This post was edited on 10/24/13 at 10:54 am
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:50 am to
Gonna get a lot of arguments and trolling about this one, but he's essentially right on a coupel points. The systems Malzahn and Freeze run are designed for quick results but that very aspect of their implementation also leaves them vulnerable to long-term struggles unless there's more at play. Both OM and AU are compensating for this by bringing in real talent, so they may well find extended success...talent is what helps compensate when other teams have figured out your scheme. It is, quite frankly, the secret to TAMU's success. There's no real quandary to dealing with that offense; the quandary is dealing with the individual stars. OM and AU will struggle if their talent doesn't step up/pan out simply because the offenses won't be able to sustain themselves once the other teams adjust (see OM's struggles vs Bama and AU's string of mental mistakes vs LSU.)

Bielema, otoh, has the job of building the team up almost from scratch. The main fallacy in the guy's argument here is it assumes Arkansas can develop the sort of players (again, talent, but also the system) that can compete against similar teams. It's not a question of needing, or not needing, quick fixes, incidentally. Arkansas is in the SEC-W. The fans will turn on Bielema just as quickly as Auburn fans turned on Chizik or OM fans turned on Nutt (and, for that matter, Arkansas fans turned on Nutt.)
Posted by craigbiggio
Member since Dec 2009
31805 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:51 am to
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Better hire than Miles at that time, no?


We only had a couple of weeks to look, give us a break
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54694 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:51 am to
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My favorite part is about Malzahn running a spread offense. The quoted poster wanted a reason to bring Gus down as a quick fix coach, but didn't bother finding out what type offense he runs.

Gus spreads it out with 3 players in the backfield, a tight end, and 2 wrs.
Posted by MThawg
south
Member since May 2011
4458 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:52 am to
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The fans will turn on Bielema just as quickly as Auburn fans turned on Chizik or OM fans turned on Nutt (and, for that matter, Arkansas fans turned on Nutt.)


While this is true Chizik has proven himself as a terrible coach. Worst coach to win a national title by far. And with Nutt has always had a few good years and then sits in mediocrity. We don't know what the long term will be Bielema in the SEC yet.
Posted by blzr
Saratoga
Member since Mar 2011
30513 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:52 am to


Writer seems to be trying too hard. I'm sure Bielema will be winning with all these 5 stars in no time.
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Dystopia (but well cared for)
Member since Mar 2012
25235 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:53 am to
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but for realzzzz to every non hog in this thread watch and see bitches.

Posted by parkjas2001
Gustav Fan Club: Consigliere
Member since Feb 2010
45000 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:54 am to
Gus' spread offense ran between the tackles 15 times in the 4th Q last week.
Posted by hawgfaninc
https://youtu.be/torc9P4-k5A
Member since Nov 2011
49649 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:54 am to
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Whatever helps y'all sleep easier.



whatever helps you sleep at night as well. hoping the article is wrong about gus being a quick fix and not sustainable long term is admirable of you.

sorry you disagree with the facts in the article.
Posted by parkjas2001
Gustav Fan Club: Consigliere
Member since Feb 2010
45000 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:56 am to
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facts in the article.


It is an opinion piece...none of it are facts.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54694 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:57 am to
I like how he pointed to Bob Stoops and Urban Meyer as quick fix coaches who can't sustain success to support his opinion.
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
Member since Jun 2008
35663 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 10:59 am to
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Has he peaked already, just like his mentor Stoops did?




Yes
Posted by Harryk15
Member since Jan 2013
560 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:00 am to
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Good thing he's an excellent recruiter


Nailed it, what long term fix is gonna be successful without stellar recruiting? I see Freeze, Sumlin, and Malzahn running circles around Bielema on the recruiting trail. This article is laughable. You're not passing Ole Miss, Auburn, or A&M for the foreseeable future.
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
17165 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:01 am to
Such a homer hog article.
Posted by parkjas2001
Gustav Fan Club: Consigliere
Member since Feb 2010
45000 posts
Posted on 10/24/13 at 11:01 am to
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If the Razorbacks’ priority was winning in 2013, then Bret Bielema was a poor choice. Comparing Bielema’s first-year success to the first-year success of coaches like Gus Malzahn and Hugh Freeze is foolish. Try again in year four. History has shown that more pro-style, old-fashioned systems take much longer to install, but also have more long-term success.


Here is your problem, Adam. Both Urban Meyer and Bob Stops have been running thier spread up tempo offenses for more than 4 years and are still have huge amounts of success. Urban has been doing at now 3 different major schools. History, also, shows that both Bob and Urban have a lot more hardware than Bret.
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