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re: Better Coach: Mark Richt or Phil Fulmer
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:09 pm to dawgfan24348
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:09 pm to dawgfan24348
He is entering year 15 or so and hasn't won a meaningful game in close to 10 years. Doesn't exactly seem like a national title trajectory.
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:11 pm to WG_Dawg
WG, I honestly don't know why you waste your time in these threads.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:12 pm to WG_Dawg
It could also be said that Fulmer and Spurrier raised the bar for the rest of the SEC to catch up too. No denying Fulmer lost his touch in the last 4 years, but Mark Richt has never set a standard in this conference like Fulmer did in his prime. I would argue Fulmer was one of the best if not the best recruiter in the country back in the day.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:13 pm to ipodking
quote:FIFY...
The unforced fumble by Stoener puts Fulmer on top
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:14 pm to volfan30
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He is entering year 15 or so and hasn't won a meaningful game in close to 10 years. Doesn't exactly seem like a national title trajectory.
So since he hasn't won a natty yet he never will?
Great logic
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:16 pm to volfan30
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He is entering year 15 or so and hasn't won a meaningful game in close to 10 years
You are too stupid to insult.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:16 pm to psk_Vol
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could also be said that Fulmer and Spurrier raised the bar for the rest of the SEC to catch up too. N
No the SEC was just terrible and finally started to rise when Richt and Saban entered the conference
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:16 pm to ugasickem
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WG, I honestly don't know why you waste your time in these threads.
I'm bored.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:16 pm to WG_Dawg
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Eeh, not really. Let's look! Here's what he's done in the first 4 games of the season during his career, record followed by (wins/losses)
make that first half of the season and you can add 2007 and 2009. So he's lost 2 games in the first half of the season 4 times the past 7 seasons. He's also greatly benefitted from Tennessee being a dumpster fire since 2008, yet still managed to lose to them in 2009 and tried his best to last year. Like, I said, I don't have anything against Richt personally. UGA will be competative as long as he's there. I just think he's going to have to do something more eventually. He almost seems as if he's been regressing as a coach after showing a ton of potential early in his career. Since that great team he had in 2007, he's only lost fewer than 3 games in a season once and hasn't won an SEC title since 2005. Is that something UGA fans are ok with given the talent that's come through?
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:17 pm to dallasga6
Let's also forget the fact that TAMU and UCLA both lost on the final weekend too. Even if Arky beats UT that day it's still 12-1 Tennessee vs 11-1 FSU in the 1998 title game. But whatever makes you sleep well at night.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:17 pm to volfan30
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Richt is never going to get that program a national title.
Why not? How long did it take Paterno or Dooley to get a title? Hell it took Bowden 18 yrs to win one at FSU. The fact is, you guys say this like it's a fact. You have no idea. Odds are pretty good that if he sticks around long enough, he'll get one. He's been REALLY close 3 different times, just hasn't gotten the lucky breaks that every team gets/needs. Auburn had more luck in 2013 than Richt has had in 12 yrs as a head coach at UGA.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:18 pm to WG_Dawg
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You are too stupid to insult.
What meaningful wins does UGA have since 2005? Hawaii?
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:18 pm to psk_Vol
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Mark Richt has never set a standard in this conference like Fulmer did in his prime
Please tell us what bar fulmer raised or standard he set?
Spurrier changed the landscape of the conference with the fun n gun. Meyer changed it again with his offense. Saban went back to grassroots with elite, punishing D and an excellent run game. Malzahn is making noise now with his version of hte spread.
Fulmer didn't change shite. Just because he won games doesn't mean he set some sort of standard.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:20 pm to volfan30
Boise state and they also wore black uniforms against AU one time and thought they deserved a national title birth even though they failed to win the East because of Fulmer curb stomping them in Knoxville that year.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:23 pm to psk_Vol
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It could also be said that Fulmer and Spurrier raised the bar for the rest of the SEC to catch up too. No denying Fulmer lost his touch in the last 4 years, but Mark Richt has never set a standard in this conference like Fulmer did in his prime. I would argue Fulmer was one of the best if not the best recruiter in the country back in the day.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:24 pm to ipodking
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The national title puts Fulmer on top
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:24 pm to WG_Dawg
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Fulmer didn't change shite. Just because he won games doesn't mean he set some sort of standard.
Fulmer's defenses and running game were amazing in his prime. There's a reason why Tennessee still has some of the most players currently playing in the NFL. They were tied with Alabama going into the 2013 season with 30.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:25 pm to lsufball19
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make that first half of the season and you can add 2007 and 2009
One of those seasons we finished #2 in the country..
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He's also greatly benefitted from Tennessee being a dumpster fire since 2008
whoa whoa whoa..which angle do you wanna take? Because in the 90s when fulmer collected most of his wins, all he had in the east was UF. The other 4 teams were average at best to downright pathetic. Richt has had to face a down UT team (also some good ones in his early tenure), a UF team that has won more national titles in richt's tenure than spurrier ever did, a resurgent SC team, a vandy team that has actually tried to start playing football, and an auburn team that has won a national title for the first time in 50 years. Don't try to play the "richt has played a down ut" card without playing it both ways.
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He almost seems as if he's been regressing as a coach after showing a ton of potential early in his career
He was, I agree. I completely agree that he still is now. I think you can look at it in phases:
01-04 (vangorder years): outstanding. Excellent record, excellent results
05-09 (martinez era): experienced some down points, but also won an SEC title and played in 2 sugar bowls
10-present (philosophy change): The biggest problem with the 05-current teams has been crappy assistant coaches. Richt was not very good at managing this aspect after vangorder left. He held onto martinez too long, and we didn't get an elite DC with grantham.
However, you can PLAINLY see richt being more aggressive starting with the 2011 season. After we lost to UCF he has changed as an offensive mind. We also showed this year that we could go out and get elite coordinators. Richt had struggled previously, but I think he's in the midst of an upswing currently.
In 11 we won the east. In 12 we were 1 game away from playing for it all. Last year we beat 2 top 10 teams in the first month before injuries crippled us. Richt isnt' done by a long shot.
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Is that something UGA fans are ok with given the talent that's come through?
What choice do we have? That's a long conversation that's reserved for another thread, which has also been discussed many times.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:26 pm to WG_Dawg
Fulmer only managed to recruit literally starting NFL rosters on both sides of the ball. How he ran the program and recruited in the 90s was a model sec coaches had to imitate. If you fail to see that the rest of the SEC had to play catch up to UF and UT then I can't help you.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:26 pm to volfan30
He won as many meaningful games as Fulmer did in his las 10 years. Fulmer played for 2 SEC titles in his last 10 years...losing both. Richt played for 3....winning one in 05. That was 9 seasons ago. The Sugar Bowl in 07 was kind
Of meaningful as well. There is no such thing as a NC trajectory. Would you have said Auburn was on that trajectory after 2012? Yet, they almost won it last year. Any perennial SEC power is in the hunt....some years more than others.
Of meaningful as well. There is no such thing as a NC trajectory. Would you have said Auburn was on that trajectory after 2012? Yet, they almost won it last year. Any perennial SEC power is in the hunt....some years more than others.
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