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Best SEC players (2000-2020) - 64 player bracket (VOTE)

Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:14 pm
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:14 pm
Quarantine boredom led me to create this bracket. Before people complain about seeding and players being left off - I did this formulaically. So much of this is subjective and in 20 years there have been way too many incredible players to cram in to here.

I also wanted to compare apples to apples for as long as possible. So you will see 4 different regions . Unfortunately OL were left off, mainly because of the limited bracket space and the fact that the average SEC fan isn't paying very close attention to offensive linemen from other teams.

The method I used was as follows: Any player that finished top 10 in the Heisman received an auto-bid and received the top seeds in their region. Seeding of these players was done by their respective Heisman finish. For players that both finished the same, I used NFL draft selection as the tiebreaker to seed them. After top 10 Heisman finalists were seeded, the next tier of auto-bids went to players who were both "Consensus" All Americans and top 32 NFL draft selections. These players were seeded based on NFL draft selection. This is how the Consensus All American Team is made up, per Wikipedia:

quote:

Currently, the NCAA compiles consensus all-America teams in the sports of Division I FBS football and Division I men's basketball using a point system computed from All-America teams named by coaches associations or media sources. Players are chosen against other players playing at their position only. To be selected a consensus All-American, players must be chosen to the first team on at least two of the five official selectors as recognized by the NCAA. Second- and third-team honors are used to break ties. Players named first-team by all five selectors are deemed unanimous All-Americans. Currently, the NCAA recognizes All-Americans selected by the AP, AFCA, FWAA, TSN, and the WCFF to determine consensus and unanimous All-Americans.[5]


Each region was a little unique, I will explain any deviations within each region of the bracket. Without further ado:

QB REGION

Notes: Obviously we have 4 Heisman winners here, so to seed the top 4 I went off draft selection. Burrow is presumed #1 but since Cam is a known #1 he gets the top seed. Burrow gets #2 because it is practically certain he goes before the 20's where Manziel and Tebow Went.

There were 11 QB's who were top 10 heisman guys. There were no QB's who were consensus AA and not top 10 heisman. So to get QB's 12-16, I used highest NFL draft selections.

(1)Cam Newton
(16)Drew Lock

(8)Eli Manning
(9)Jason Cambell

(4)Tim Tebow
(13)Jamarcus Russell

(5)Tua
(12)Matthew Stafford

(3)Johnny Manziel
(14)Jay Cutler

(6)Rex Grossman
(11)Dak Prescott

(7)AJ McCarron
(10)Ryan Mallett

(2)Joe Burrow
(15)Matt Jones

RB/WR REGION

Notes: I deviated from the criteria for this region, mainly because heisman voting schews towards RB and it resulted in leaving off some WR's that would not do the bracket justice. If you didn't win the heisman, you had to be a top 32 pick. For this region, heisman winners were seeded first (tiebreaker: NFL draft position) - Henry and Ingram. Next were heisman top 10 finishers and top 32 picks (seeds 3-7). Next tier (7-9) were consensus AA and top 32 picks (Jeudy and Chase have not been top 32 picks yet but I assume both to be at this point). 10-16 were given to the highest drafted players.

(1)Mark Ingram
(16)Odell Beckham

(8)Jamarr Chase
(9)Jerry Jeudy

(4)Darren McFadden
(13)Julio Jones

(5)Leonard Fournette
(12)Cadillac Williams

(3)Trent Richardson
(14)Todd Gurley

(6)Amari Cooper
(11)AJ Green

(7)Mike Evans
(10)Ronnie Brown

(2)Derrick Henry
(15)Knowshon Moreno

Missed the cut: Kerryon Johnson, Rudi Johnson, Tre Mason were all Heisman top 10 finalists but did not make it as they weren't top 32 picks (Sorry Auburn, I promise this wasn't intentional ). Jabarr Gafney (33), Josh Reed (36), and Hunter Henry (35) were consensus AA but just missed the top 32 cutoff. There are too many top 32 selections that missed the cut to list out - OBJ/Knowshon Moreno as picks #12 round out our 16 here. The next 3 closest guys were Donte Stallworth (#13), Micheal Clayton (#15), OJ Howard (#19)

DL/LB Region

Notes: The top 5 were top-10 heisman vote getters

(1)Jonathan Allen
(16)Marcus Spears

(8)Devin White
(9)Josh Allen

(4)Roquan Smith
(13)Derek Barnett

(5)Jarvis Jones
(12)Nick Fairley

(3)Glenn Dorsey
(14)David Pollack

(6)Myles Garrett
(11)Patrick Willis

(7)Jadaveon Clowney
(10)John Henderson

(2)Quinnen Williams
(15)CJ Moseley

Missed the cut:
Shane Ray, Donta Hightower, and Reuben Foster were all consensus AA and top 32 draft picks, but missed the cut based on draft position tiebreaker.

CB/S Region

Notes: Mathieu is the only heisman top 10 finalist

(1)Tyrann Mathieu
(16)Derek Stingley Jr.

(8)Dee Milliner
(9)Vernon Hargreaves

(4)Laron Landry
(13)Haha Clinton Dix

(5)Morris Claiborne
(12)Reggie Nelson

(3)Patrick Peterson
(14)Carlos Rogers

(6)Joe Haden
(11)Thomas Davis

(7)Mark Barron
(10)Minkah Fitzpatrick

(2)Eric Berry
(15)Tre'davious White

Missed the cut: The only other consensus AA were Deandre Baker and Grant Delpit (could be drafted first round but unknown). Baker went #30 overall. I debated if I should put Baker at seed 16 or consensus AA Stingley. I gave Stingley the nod because while he obviously hasn't been drafted, I think it is a very safe bet he will go higher than #30.

Voting Rules

I am going to count the votes that are posted by midnight on Saturday, and tally the results of round 1. DO NOT VOTE in any matchup that involves a player from your favorite team (unless the matchup is between 2 players from your team). I want to eliminate bias as much as possible. If I see votes you make for a player on your team based on team icon, other than exceptions noted above, I will not count them. The criteria I have in mind is voting for who you think the best player was while in college, i.e. who would you rather have on your team based on how good they were in college. Although this is just for fun, so whatever criteria you want to use to vote then go for it.

If I made any omissions or mistakes, I apologize. I tried my best to include everything but this took way longer than I thought it would when I started
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 12:35 pm
Posted by NFLSU
Screwston, Texas
Member since Oct 2014
16626 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:16 pm to
Joe Burrow 2019:

Total yards: 6,039 (FBS record)
Total TDs: 65 (FBS record)
Comp: 76.3% (2nd FBS history)
INTs: 6
Top 25 wins: 7
Top 10 wins: 7


Cam Newton 2010:

Total yards: 4,327
Total TDs: 50
INTs: 7
Comp %: 66.1
Top 25 wins: 6
Top 10 wins: 2

Posted by diddlydawg7
2x Best Poster Elite 8 (2x Sweet 16
Member since Oct 2017
27519 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:18 pm to
quote:

(14)David Pollack


3x 1st team All-American
2x SEC POTY
2x Hendricks winner
Bednarik Winner
Lombardi Winner
1st round draft pick


14 seed?
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10520 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:18 pm to
quote:

Obviously we have 4 Heisman winners here, so to seed the top 4 I went off draft selection. Burrow is presumed #1 but since Cam is a known #1 he gets the top seed.


I know I'll spend the first few pages arguing with people who didn't read the method used to seed and/or select.

Seeding doesn't matter entirely too much anyway, if someone is the best, they are going to win. If Burrow is viewed as better than Cam he will beat him even if he isn't seeded higher.

This isn't perfect, but it is the best I could do to do things formulaically to remove all bias. There are going to be snubs and omissions, things people don't agree with, etc.
Posted by The_Ultimate_Warrior
Member since Mar 2019
5732 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:19 pm to
This is awesome.

I think it is solid, but you should still prepare the flame shield.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86438 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:19 pm to
I know this took a lot of work, but 2 things are comically wrong to me:

-3 time all American and winner of virtually every defensive award possible David Pollack being a 14 seed
-thomas Davis, all American, top 15 NFL draft pick, crusher of souls and destroyer of qbs isn't even listed

ETA: sorry I see td is listed
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 12:24 pm
Posted by PlateJohnsonIII
Member since Feb 2020
6159 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:20 pm to
Man, I kind of feel bad for you.
You spent so much time on this, and all that will happen is it will degrade into Burrow vs Tua trash. Should have just left them off.
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10520 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:22 pm to
quote:

3x 1st team All-American
2x SEC POTY
2x Hendricks winner
Bednarik Winner
Lombardi Winner
1st round draft pick


14 seed?


Again, I seeded things entirely based off a formula/method. Pollack never finished in the Heisman top 10, as such he was seeded below everyone who did so. Further, he was lumped in with the rest of the SEC DL/LB who were consensus AA and top 32 picks, and those players were seeded entirely off their draft selection.

To go through every player's stats and accomplishments and slot/rank by that is a task that would take way too much time, plus become way more subjective. I wanted to avoid subjective analysis as much as possible. That is the point of letting users vote, that is where subjection comes in and it is from a large pool of opinions, not just mine.
Posted by TTsTowel
RIP Bow9den/Coastie
Member since Feb 2010
91640 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

Total TDs: 50
False. 51.
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10520 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

-thomas Davis, all American, top 15 NFL draft pick, crusher of souls and destroyer of qbs isn't even listed


He is in the CB/S region

quote:

-3 time all American and winner of virtually every defensive award possible David Pollack being a 14 seed


See explanation above. Seeding isn't going to be perfect. It isn't meant to be. I chose to rely solely on a specific method rather than seed based off of comparing accolades and who I think was better.
Posted by diddlydawg7
2x Best Poster Elite 8 (2x Sweet 16
Member since Oct 2017
27519 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:33 pm to
I think you forgot to put the 6 vs 11 matchup on DL/LB

Should be fun

Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10520 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:35 pm to
Yep I did. Thanks for that. Fixed
Posted by CrabInMyShoeMouth
Member since Jul 2016
2486 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:35 pm to
(1)Cam Newton
(16)Drew Lock

(8)Eli Manning
(9)Jason Cambell

(4)Tim Tebow

(13)Jamarcus Russell

(5)Tua

(12)Matthew Stafford

(3)Johnny Manziel

(14)Jay Cutler

(6)Rex Grossman
(11)Dak Prescott

(7)AJ McCarron
(10)Ryan Mallett

(2)Joe Burrow
(15)Matt Jones

RB/WR REGION

(1)Mark Ingram
(16)Odell Beckham

(8)Jamarr Chase
(9)Jerry Jeudy

(4)Darren McFadden
(13)Julio Jones

(5)Leonard Fournette
(12)Cadillac Williams

(3)Trent Richardson
(14)Todd Gurley

(6)Amari Cooper
(11)AJ Green

(7)Mike Evans
(10)Ronnie Brown

(2)Derrick Henry

(15)Knowshon Moreno

DL/LB Region

(1)Jonathan Allen
(16)Marcus Spears

(8)Devin White

(9)Josh Allen

(4)Roquan Smith

(13)Derek Barnett

(5)Jarvis Jones
(12)Nick Fairley

(3)Glenn Dorsey
(14)David Pollack

(7)Jadaveon Clowney
(10)John Henderson

(2)Quinnen Williams

(15)CJ Moseley

CB/S Region

(1)Tyrann Mathieu

(16)Derek Stingley Jr.

(8)Dee Milliner
(9)Vernon Hargreaves

(4)Laron Landry
(13)Haha Clinton Dix

(5)Morris Claiborne

(12)Reggie Nelson

(3)Patrick Peterson
(14)Carlos Rogers

(6)Joe Haden
(11)Thomas Davis

(7)Mark Barron
(10)Minkah Fitzpatrick

(2)Eric Berry
(15)Tre'davious White
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73466 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:38 pm to
quote:

(1)Cam Newton
(16)Drew Lock

(8)Eli Manning
(9)Jason Cambell

(4)Tim Tebow
(13)Jamarcus Russell

(5)Tua
(12)Matthew Stafford

(3)Johnny Manziel
(14)Jay Cutler

(6)Rex Grossman
(11)Dak Prescott

(7)AJ McCarron
(10)Ryan Mallett

(2)Joe Burrow
(15)Matt Jones
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 12:42 pm
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73466 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:41 pm to
(1)Mark Ingram
(16)Odell Beckham

(8)Jamarr Chase
(9)Jerry Jeudy

(4)Darren McFadden
(13)Julio Jones

(5)Leonard Fournette
(12)Cadillac Williams

(3)Trent Richardson
(14)Todd Gurley

(6)Amari Cooper
(11)AJ Green

(7)Mike Evans
(10)Ronnie Brown

(2)Derrick Henry
(15)Knowshon Moreno
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73466 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

(1)Jonathan Allen
(16)Marcus Spears

(8)Devin White
(9)Josh Allen

(4)Roquan Smith
(13)Derek Barnett

(5)Jarvis Jones
(12)Nick Fairley

(3)Glenn Dorsey
(14)David Pollack

(6)Myles Garrett
(11)Patrick Willis


(7)Jadaveon Clowney
(10)John Henderson

(2)Quinnen Williams
(15)CJ Moseley

Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73466 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:44 pm to
quote:

(1)Tyrann Mathieu
(16)Derek Stingley Jr.

(8)Dee Milliner
(9)Vernon Hargreaves

(4)Laron Landry
(13)Haha Clinton Dix

(5)Morris Claiborne
(12)Reggie Nelson

(3)Patrick Peterson
(14)Carlos Rogers

(6)Joe Haden
(11)Thomas Davis

(7)Mark Barron
(10)Minkah Fitzpatrick

(2)Eric Berry
(15)Tre'davious White
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 12:50 pm
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10520 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:48 pm to
FYI - if you want to vote for Mathieu v Stingley you can. If a matchup involves two players both from your school, then I am still counting those votes from fans.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73466 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:49 pm to
Thanks for pointing that out. I forgot.

I think Stingley will be better, but I can't vote against the Honey Badger just yet.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 12:51 pm
Posted by hiremikeleach
Member since Dec 2019
4612 posts
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:51 pm to
Patrick Willis as an 11 seed is a travesty
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