re: Best Running Back in SEC History?

It’s not my opinion that YPC and YAC are most positively influenced by runs out of passing formations. The data points to it. In the 75+ years since the forward pass became a thing, this is clearly the case. Running the ball is optimized by space and the threat of the pass. Period.

HW rushed for more yards than Henry, started more seasons than Henry, won more SECC than Henry, never lost an SEC game, had more accolades than Henry by ever measure. That’s not my opinion.

Resorting to hybolic statements without any reasonable rebuttal doesn’t improve your argument. If you don’t find it material that DH wasn’t good enough to start as a freshman, sophomore, Rookie, Rookie +1, Rookie +2 behind 2 backs neither of whom is even in the top 60 of all time NFL backs., I can’t help you. Your coach and an NFL staff said no to starting Henry for 5 seasons.

HW and Bo Jackson were both 6’1” 225
There are lots of claims of 40 times for both, but the only official numbers I know of are their 100m numbers from their track days of which HW had a 10.23 and Bo a 10.39.

You’re citing a poll voted on by a group that by their voting tells you it’s inconsequential. If the schedule was a problem then UGA wouldn’t have been ranked, 1,2,1 at the end of the season. Opponents are factored into UGA’s ranking. Alabama’s end of reg season ranking for 2013-15, was 7, 2,2…factoring in their strength schedule. Opponents plus performance plus outcomes are a component of final ranking. There’s no need to parse out opponents, it’s a factor in final ranking. Ergo Cincy, as the only undefeated team in the playoff was the 4 seed.

And Henry’s best season still included a home loss to Ole Miss.

You’re entitled to your opinion, but you hold it in an extraordinary minority.

Chubb.

Derrick Henry has been the unquestioned best back in football for several years now. Without his injury last season he would have put up another 2000 yard season, once again carrying the Tennessee offense on his back.

The way Henry eats up yards the NFL, 3-5 years is more than enough to leave his mark.

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And the only way any of them get space is if they get blockers, or they break a tackle.

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Players literally occupy SPACE.

Simply moving them to the boundaries and downfield creates extra space to run into.

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It’s not my opinion that YPC and YAC are most positively influenced by runs out of passing formations. The data points to it. In the 75+ years since the forward pass became a thing, this is clearly the case. Running the ball is optimized by space and the threat of the pass. Period.

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Back to using situational odds and pretending it reflects overall stats.

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HW rushed for more yards than Henry, started more seasons than Henry, won more SECC than Henry, never lost an SEC game, had more accolades than Henry by ever measure. That’s not my opinion.

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And he only played 1 ranked SEC team in that 3 years. If you adjust the stats based on opponents played, Walker comes up extremely short.

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Resorting to hybolic statements without any reasonable rebuttal doesn’t improve your argument. If you don’t find it material that DH wasn’t good enough to start as a freshman, sophomore, Rookie, Rookie +1, Rookie +2 behind 2 backs neither of whom is even in the top 60 of all time NFL backs., I can’t help you. Your coach and an NFL staff said no to starting Henry for 5 seasons.

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Yeah, literally none of this matters. What matters is what the player does with the opportunities given to them. Deal with it.

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You’re citing a poll voted on by a group that by their voting tells you it’s inconsequential. If the schedule was a problem then UGA wouldn’t have been ranked, 1,2,1 at the end of the season. Opponents are factored into UGA’s ranking. Alabama’s end of reg season ranking for 2013-15, was 7, 2,2…factoring in their strength schedule. Opponents plus performance plus outcomes are a component of final ranking. There’s no need to parse out opponents, it’s a factor in final ranking. Ergo Cincy, as the only undefeated team in the playoff was the 4 seed.

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Voters look at record before SoS, as Georgia in 1980, BYU in 1984 and Cincy making the playoffs last year all demonstrate.

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And Henry’s best season still included a home loss to Ole Miss.

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2015 Ole Miss ranked higher than any SEC team Georgia played in the 3 years Walker played at Georgia.

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You’re entitled to your opinion, but you hold it in an extraordinary minority.

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It takes time for those in the echo chambers to catch up, not worried.

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You only played 6 ranked teams in 3 years, and you lost to 3 of them. A .500 record.

In 1980, the year you won the NC, you played 1. #9(#7 time of game) Notre Dame. Also the highest ranked team you ever beat in those 3 years.

Derrick Henry played 4 top20 teams in 2015 alone, 7 if you count top25, and 9 if you are one of those dumb people who think time of game rankings are somehow accurate.

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What does it mean to be ranked in college football?
Rankings are determined by a randomly selected panel of head football coaches at the Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) schools. Every week, panel members submit their recommendations for the top 25 teams in college football. The panel members don't just submit a list of team names.

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1) What kind of dumbarse argument are you trying to make by comparing how many ranked teams a player played?

2) What kind of dumbarse CFB fan doesn't know the definition of ranked?

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I think he's trying to say that quality of opponent impacts performance. Elite players put up obscene stats against lesser competition. When you play lesser competition all the time, you are going to put up obscene stats all the time.

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So SEC defenses are “lesser competition”?

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think he's trying to say that quality of opponent impacts performance

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He is also saying it is not harder to run in short yardage situations.

This means he thinks it is harder to run against a d with 5 dbs who are covering 3-5 guys running downfield.

That idea of his is so bad that he doesn’t get the benefit of doubt with his weak ranked opponents argument.

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So SEC defenses are “lesser competition”?

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The SEC defenses Georgia played in the early-80s? Probably. For instance, the combined record of Georgia's SEC opponents in 1980 was a paltry 26-41.

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He is also saying it is not harder to run in short yardage situations.

This means he thinks it is harder to run against a d with 5 dbs who are covering 3-5 guys running downfield.

That idea of his is so bad that he doesn’t get the benefit of doubt with his weak ranked opponents argument.

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No, I'm saying you're too big of a dumbass to understand the difference between situational odds and total stats.

Once again, the way YPC works is that most runs a back makes are shorter than their average. 2 or 3 yards at best. It's the big runs for 10+ yards or even longer that carries and raises the YPC/total yards. Those few explosive plays.

But the majority of the time, the runs are short. Say 5 out of 6 times or whatever(I'm just guessing based on the number of carries vs number of decent/big runs you normally see in a game).

So when a defense is looking at 3rd and short or 4th and short, the odds say that they have an 83% chance to stop the run in that short yardage situation. Thus the defenses will get up in the box to stop the run, and the majority of times it will work.

However, when you try to apply that principle to the overall stats as you keep trying to do, it falls apart. Because if you keep getting up on the line, the running back will get that big run and run for even more if your defenders are on the line. AKA, the 17%.

If you put the ball on the offenses own 1 yard line, with 99 yards of field in front of them. Have the defense crowd the line against the run every single play and you run 100 plays, vs a normal defense that does not crowd the box. In the end, the RB will have more YPC against the crowded box than it will against the normal defense.

Which is why even if the defense knows a run is coming, they would never use a goalline type defense in that situation. Unless you're 92 Alabama vs Miami, although they did that against a Heisman winning QB throwing to future HOF WR's.