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re: Bama, USCjr, and Ole Piss don’t deserve to be in the playoffs

Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:34 pm to
Posted by llfshoals
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:34 pm to
As you say, the comparison is really Ole Miss and Bama. Pretty much a coin flip there if you ask me and I’d be ok with Ole Miss getting in over us.

I wouldn’t like it, but i could live with it because I think it’s a close call for either.

I would like to see South Carolina get in, but I can’t make a logical argument for it. H2H, both beat Georgia. 2 in the plus column for both SC has nothing to match against.
Posted by Nitro Express
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Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:41 pm to
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So if SMU wins, who do you think the 12th team should be?


His answer was, "anyone but BAMA".

Posted by lsusa
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 1:07 pm to
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I would like to see South Carolina get in, but I can’t make a logical argument for it. H2H, both beat Georgia. 2 in the plus column for both SC has nothing to match against.


Something that I think strengthens the case for Ole Miss, is to do comparisons between Ole Miss - USC and Bama - USC.

In a Bama-USC comparison, head to head was a “close” win in Tuscaloosa, which still favors Bama but not overwhelming.

Common opponents were Vandy, Mizzou, Oklahoma and LSU with USC 3-1 and Bama 2-2….maybe favors USC slightly.

Bama’s top wins were UGa and UsC > Clemson (who UGa trashed) and A&M

USCs best argument vs Bama is they won their final six games, being hot to close the season, where as Bama was 4-2 with a very ugly week 14 loss.


If you do the same type of comparisons with Ole Miss-USC

Ole Miss trounced USC in Columbia, which overwhelmingly favors them.

Common opponents Kentucky, LSU and Oklahoma favors UsC (2-1 vs 1-2)

Ole Miss’s top wins of UGa and UsC better same as the UsC-Bama Comparison.

USC can make the same 6-0 vs 4-2 argument with Ole Miss they do with Bama, but both of Ole Miss’s losses were by 3 points.

Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 1:11 pm to
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I agree. But considering what the refs did to SC vs LSU, they're really a 2 loss team.


I hate to break it to you, but that's the correct call these days.

People have been crying about it because of hits like the one on Aaron Murray by Alabama, so now that's the rule.

It's stupid, but it's the correct call and your players should have been coached to not do that.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 1:15 pm to
No 2-loss team ever deserves to have played for a title before the 12-team expansion.
Posted by TripleBarrelBluff1
Sin City
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 1:16 pm to
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No 3 loss team deserves it


No 2 loss team deserved a BCS title either.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 3:28 pm to
Is a season 6 weeks or 12?

The moment you have to start picking and choosing which weeks are relevant, you inject bias into the argument. That’s why South Carolina fails against both Bama and Ole Miss. if you go last 8 weeks instead of 6 you now include losses to not one but both of the others teams being discussed.

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Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 3:31 pm to
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I hate to break it to you, but that's the correct call these days.


I hate to break it to you, but you're wrong.

And lets not even talk about the phantom offensive PI call...

Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 3:32 pm to
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I hate to break it to you, but you're wrong.

And lets not even talk about the phantom offensive PI call...


I'm not wrong. I've been complaining about it since they made it the rule.

It's ridiculous that it's a penalty. Should have to keep your head on a swivel and if you don't want to get blindside blocked then don't put yourself in the play.

Posted by Rebelinexile
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 3:41 pm to
That’s a rational, unemotional argument for Ole Miss. Amen.
Posted by PuertoRicanBlaze
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 3:43 pm to
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I agree. But considering what the refs did to SC vs LSU, they're really a 2 loss team.


Use this argument when debating Bama fans over who deserves it more and they'll concede it's SC.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 3:57 pm to
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I'm not wrong. I've been complaining about it since they made it the rule.


Just for you, I'll go into it again. By every reading of the actual rule book, and every possible foul, being it roughing the passer, blindside block, pick any of them, the call was wrong.

Would you like to read the actual rule and try to be more objective?

quote:

Blind-Side Block ARTICLE 18 No player shall deliver a blind-side block by attacking an opponent with forcible contact
(Exceptions: (1) the runner;
(2) a receiver in the act of attempting to make a catch )
(Note: In addition, if this action meets all the elements of targeting, it is a blind-slide block with targeting (Rule 9-1-3 and 9-1-4).

Blind-Side Block—ARTICLE 18 Approved Ruling 9-1-18

B44 intercepts the pass of A12 at the B-20 and turns back up-field on the return

During the return, B21 approaches A88 at midfield from the blind side and blocks A88
(a) with extended hands;
(b) with a screen type block;
(c) by attacking with forcible contact with his shoulder into the chest of A88;
(d) by attacking with forcible contact with the shoulder into the head of A88 B44 returns the pass to the A-20

RULING:
(a) No foul
(b) No foul
(c) Personal Foul, blind-side block, 15-yard penalty from the spot of the foul
(d) Personal Foul, Blind-Side Block with Targeting, 15-yard penalty from the spot of the foul and B21 is disqualified


Reading that description and looking at this gif, Which one of those scenarios best applies? You HAVE to settle on scenario A. The scenario is RIGHT OUT OF THE RULE BOOK.



But, he wasn't called for blindside block. He was called for unnecessary roughness. This is the ONLY thing that could have been called. However, lets look at the controlling rule:

quote:

Contact Against an Opponent Out of the Play ARTICLE 12
a No player shall tackle or run into a receiver when a forward pass to that receiver is obviously not catchable This is a personal foul and not pass interference
b No player shall run into or throw themselves against an opponent obviously out of the play either before or after the ball is dead


The applicable section is part b. No player shall run into or throw themselves against an opponent obviously out of the play either before or after the ball is dead. However, you can make the argument that when Nussmeier starts moving toward the ball carrier he is no longer "obviously" out of the play. So as soon as Nussmeier makes a move for the ball carrier, he's legal to be blocked. This photo takes away the narrative that he was out of the play.



The only reason this was called is because Nussmeier laid there like a dead fish after he was blocked. But the block was legal by the rules.

Now, would you like to tell me again how this was a fair and correct call?
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 3:59 pm
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 4:03 pm to
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No 3 loss team deserves it


Bama fans told you for years that no more than 2 or 3 teams every year deserved to play for a national championship. You're probably one of those clowns who whined for expanded playoffs. Well, y'all got y'all's wish. So don't bitch about it now. Y'all wanted this...not us.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 4:05 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
30667 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 4:05 pm to
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Now, would you like to tell me again how this was a fair and correct call?


Sure.

First, you are wrong here where you claim A happened, when C actually happened. His hands are about 30% extended at best, and he hit him up high, knocking him on his arse.

quote:

(a) with extended hands;
(b) with a screen type block;
(c) by attacking with forcible contact with his shoulder into the chest of A88;
(d) by attacking with forcible contact with the shoulder into the head of A88 B44 returns the pass to the A-20


And C is a penalty.

The guy wasn't looking and your player knocked the frick outta him. They are going to call it every time and have been calling it every time.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Member since Jul 2012
28916 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 4:06 pm to
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Sure.

First, you are wrong here where you claim A happened, when C actually happened. His hands are about 30% extended at best, and he hit him up high, knocking him on his arse.

quote:
(a) with extended hands;
(b) with a screen type block;
(c) by attacking with forcible contact with his shoulder into the chest of A88;
(d) by attacking with forcible contact with the shoulder into the head of A88 B44 returns the pass to the A-20


And C is a penalty.


The problem with your argument here is it wasn't called a blindside block so NONE of those apply.

He was flagged for a personal foul.



Here's the signal for illegal blindside block. That is not what was called.





Please tell me how THAT CONTACT, if not a blindside was "unnecessary roughness"?


This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 4:09 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
30667 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 4:09 pm to
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The problem with your argument here is it wasn't called a blindside block so NONE of those apply.



Then why are you bringing it up?




quote:

He was flagged for a personal foul.


A blindside block is a personal foul.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 4:11 pm
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
28916 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 4:11 pm to
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Then why are you bringing it up?



Because uninformed people like you keep thinking he was flagged for a blindside block and use that criteria.

If the following is the criteria for unnecessary roughness, how does that block rise to the rule listed below. Easy. It doesn't.

quote:

Contact Against an Opponent Out of the Play ARTICLE 12
a No player shall tackle or run into a receiver when a forward pass to that receiver is obviously not catchable This is a personal foul and not pass interference
b No player shall run into or throw themselves against an opponent obviously out of the play either before or after the ball is dead
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
28916 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 4:13 pm to
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A blindside block is a personal foul.



Right. And it has it's own unique signal from the refs. That is not what was called on the field.

Here's the call from the game....


And here's the signal for illegal blindside block. Notice hat is not what was called above....



Just face it, you're wrong on this one.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 4:15 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
30667 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 4:16 pm to
So the ref not making the correct signal on the call is your argument now?




Look dude, if your players knock the frick out of the opponents QB, this is going to get called. You can sit around twisting your nuts about it all you want, but your coach should have told them to not do that.

I think it's a bullshite rule, but it is a rule.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
28916 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 4:18 pm to
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So the ref not making the correct signal on the call is your argument now?


I WATCHED THE GAME LIVE. At the time the refs said NOTHING about blindside block. If they were going to call a blindside block don't you think they would have said, Player #5 is guilty of a blind side block when they explained the flag?? But that's not what they did.

And as soon as the ball changes hands, he's no longer a QB. He's a defended.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 4:20 pm
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