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re: Auburn fans -- Chizik or Tuberville?
Posted on 10/12/12 at 1:28 pm to RandySavage
Posted on 10/12/12 at 1:28 pm to RandySavage
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For a decade we were the second best, very close to the best, program in the SEC West and a contender to win the division pretty much every single year aside from 03 and 08. Tuberville left on a sour note but did a great job at Auburn.
One SEC title. That's it. And things did deteriorate and he didn't leave the program in very good shape. t don't think Tuberville was a disaster, but I wouldn't call that a "great job." And I think that's part of the problem. Auburn is settling for good enough. All I'm saying is that I think you're one of the few programs out there that if you had a home run hire, you'd be able to build a dynasty and you haven't done it.
LSU finally woke up and did it when they hired Saban. Florida wondered in the wilderness before the OBC was hired.
For instance, the OBC had to work for a number of years just to make SC a highly-competitive threat in the league, and he's no where near a dynasty. Imagine if Auburn had hired him when SC did.
tuberville was the closest thing AU has hired along the lines of a "proven head coach" except for Dye, and he wasn't a big name home run by any stretch. For that matter, when Dye came from Wyoming, he wasn't exactly a sure-thing.
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Posted on 10/12/12 at 1:43 pm to Clutch Cargo
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One SEC title. That's it.
How many does Saban have at Bama?
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LSU finally woke up and did it when they hired Saban.
Saban wasnt all that, before LSU, he became what he is now at LSU, so I wouldnt say LSU woke up and hired a proven comodity
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Florida wondered in the wilderness before the OBC was hired.
Florida wasnt really a dumster fire by any means prior to Spurrier, sans NCAA issues, he just capitalized on the state of florda market that awoke in the 80's and ran with it
quote:neither were any of the coaches you mentioned sans Saban to bama
[tubs] he wasn't a big name home run by any stretch.
Most programs have the ability to become great over a period of time with the right pieces falling in place, coaching hires are rarely "proven head coaches" in relationship to the playing in the SEC
Posted on 10/12/12 at 1:50 pm to NYCAuburn
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How many does Saban have at Bama?
just 1
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Saban wasnt all that, before LSU, he became what he is now at LSU, so I wouldnt say LSU woke up and hired a proven comodity
LSU made Saban..if only Bama would get there nuts off LSU ....they would have time to kiss LSU arse.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 1:54 pm to NYCAuburn
Are you comparing Tuberville to Saban?
Posted on 10/12/12 at 1:55 pm to cyde
quote:in about one point being made, yes. not their entirety
Are you comparing Tuberville to Saban?
Posted on 10/12/12 at 1:57 pm to Clutch Cargo
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One SEC title. That's it.
And you called Stallings a great hire yet he only had 1 SEC title in 7 years.
Yeah, you're making a great case in this debate.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 1:57 pm to NYCAuburn
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in about one point being made, yes. not their entirety
Even the one point's validity is questionable; Saban has won one SECc in five years. Tubs won one in ten. Let's save that particular comparison until after Saban has been there either ten years, or he retires.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 1:58 pm to joeyb147
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And you called Stallings a great hire yet he only had 1 SEC title in 7 years.
Yeah, you're making a great case in this debate.
And here comes joeyb to make the whole thing a lot more contentious than it was ever intended to be.
How's it been, bruh?
Posted on 10/12/12 at 1:58 pm to cyde
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Even the one point's validity is questionable;
Posted on 10/12/12 at 1:59 pm to cyde
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And here comes joeyb to make the whole thing a lot more contentious than it was ever intended to be. How's it been, bruh?
Whats wrong with his point as well? So do you think Tubs was a bad hire for Auburn? That was the point being made and resoning for mine as well
Posted on 10/12/12 at 2:02 pm to NYCAuburn
My whole thing is that Clutch never tried to be insulting to the Auburn fans or program. Quite the opposite, in fact -- he pointed out the untapped potential for Auburn to be a major contender year in and out. Clutch is one of the nicer Gumps posting here currently.
Your eyes do not invalidate the point.
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Your eyes do not invalidate the point.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 2:03 pm to NeverRains
PATRICK FAIN DYE.
Put ole Pat back on the sidelines. Why the hell not?
Put ole Pat back on the sidelines. Why the hell not?
Posted on 10/12/12 at 2:04 pm to cyde
quote:Just pointing out flawed logic. Can't use two different sets of standards.
And here comes joeyb to make the whole thing a lot more contentious than it was ever intended to be.
quote:Ah, you know how it goes. Same shite different day. Ready for the weekend.
How's it been, bruh?
Posted on 10/12/12 at 2:05 pm to joeyb147
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Just pointing out flawed logic. Can't use two different sets of standards.
Just... try to avoid flaming the shite out of the guy. He really is nice.
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Ah, you know how it goes. Same shite different day. Ready for the weekend.
Me too. Mainly ready to just watch some ball.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 2:08 pm to cyde
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My whole thing is that Clutch never tried to be insulting to the Auburn fans or program. Quite the opposite, in fact -- he pointed out the untapped potential for Auburn to be a major contender year in and out. Clutch is one of the nicer Gumps posting here currently.
Actually the orginal point was Auburn had a long history of bad hires, with Tubs being one of them. I am not bashing the guy, just the fact that the reasoning is skewed
Posted on 10/12/12 at 2:09 pm to NYCAuburn
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Actually the orginal point was Auburn had a long history of bad hires, with Tubs being one of them. I am not bashing the guy, just the fact that the reasoning is skewed
I think Clutch's point (and he should correct me if I'm wrong) is that Auburn hasn't hired anywhere near up to their potential lately. That if Auburn hit their next hire out of the park, they could go on a legendary run.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 3:46 pm to cyde
Cyde:
You get it, but the truth is that the little-brother Awbies can't get past their jealousy to quit being defensive and take a complement when it is given. My point never was that AU had a history of bad hires, but this guy seized on that. The fact is that they do have a long history of bad hires and have always gone for guys who were beneath the level that their program should be hiring.
And yes, Saban was a proven head coach long before arriving at LSU. He had worked wonders at Toledo for a season and had rebuilt Michigan State prior to arriving there. He wasn't a career assistant or a head coach without a history.
And the hell UF wasn't in shambles before OBC arrived. Charlie Pell damn near killed that program and Galen Hall had not been a threat to win anything of significance.
And, furthermore, Stallings was 70-16-1 at Alabama. Tuberville was no where near that successful at AU with a record of 85-40.
I tried to be nice. I don't troll. I don't flame, just sharing an opinion, but the bottom line is that Auburn has sold itself short and settled for mediocrity in the past. It is something I don't think they have to do.
Actually, I hope they keep on doing it and guys like these two keep on thinking that the job Tubs did was great since they almost got a national title out of it.
You get it, but the truth is that the little-brother Awbies can't get past their jealousy to quit being defensive and take a complement when it is given. My point never was that AU had a history of bad hires, but this guy seized on that. The fact is that they do have a long history of bad hires and have always gone for guys who were beneath the level that their program should be hiring.
And yes, Saban was a proven head coach long before arriving at LSU. He had worked wonders at Toledo for a season and had rebuilt Michigan State prior to arriving there. He wasn't a career assistant or a head coach without a history.
And the hell UF wasn't in shambles before OBC arrived. Charlie Pell damn near killed that program and Galen Hall had not been a threat to win anything of significance.
And, furthermore, Stallings was 70-16-1 at Alabama. Tuberville was no where near that successful at AU with a record of 85-40.
I tried to be nice. I don't troll. I don't flame, just sharing an opinion, but the bottom line is that Auburn has sold itself short and settled for mediocrity in the past. It is something I don't think they have to do.
Actually, I hope they keep on doing it and guys like these two keep on thinking that the job Tubs did was great since they almost got a national title out of it.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 4:03 pm to Clutch Cargo
The 2010 team was unbeatable. They would have beaten the 2004 team.
And I dont want either of them. I liked the both at times. But now they both suck and I want someone else.
And I dont want either of them. I liked the both at times. But now they both suck and I want someone else.
Posted on 10/12/12 at 4:07 pm to LanierSpots
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The 2010 team was unbeatable. They would have beaten the 2004 team.
You can't be serious. Without looking it up I'd say auburns margin of victory in 2010 was one of the lowest ever for an undefeated team.
2004 was as complete a football team as you'll find. Thomas and Dansby were great college linebackers, Rogers was a great corner, a very good QB and the best backfield auburn has ever had. That team would beat 2010 auburn by double digits if they boh brought their A game
Posted on 10/12/12 at 4:17 pm to LanierSpots
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The 2010 team was unbeatable. They would have beaten the 2004 team.
Agreed, if 2004 got score close, 2010 Fairly would have slung Jason Campbell down and cracked his head...penalty bedamned
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