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re: AU will beat Bama or LSU this year
Posted on 6/12/12 at 4:59 pm to WDE24
Posted on 6/12/12 at 4:59 pm to WDE24
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Again, obvious concession is obvious.
I'm not going to go back and rewatch the game or something over this. I saw the game, I remember being impressed with how Les managed it and Chiz didn't do a good job adjusting. I wouldn't have a problem saying he did a shitty job if that's how I felt, god knows it's happened before.
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Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:01 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I remember being impressed with how Les managed it and Chiz didn't do a good job adjusting
da frick! are you talking about 2010?
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:04 pm to NYCAuburn
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da frick! are you talking about 2010?
Yeah considering how much better Auburn was
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:05 pm to NYCAuburn
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AU will beat Bama or LSU this year
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I remember being impressed with how Les managed it and Chiz didn't do a good job adjusting
da frick! are you talking about 2010?
If they are, I remember watching that game and wanting LSU to beat Auburn with the fire of a thousand suns. And I was incredibly pissed that Les let that game go the way he did. I thought LSU should have won it. It was the first time I had felt like we used to when Mike Shula was coach since Mike Shula was there.
So, if we are going based on feelings of the game, I say advantage Chizik.
That same year, LSU played a beautiful game against Alabama. LSU didn't play with the same fire at Auburn.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
What was it that Les did so well that he out coached Chiz despite all the evidence to the contrary?
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:08 pm to WDE24
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What was it that Les did so well
Deciding to punt on the 3 and outs(most of the time)=Knute Rockne
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I'm not going to go back and rewatch the game or something over this. I saw the game, I remember being impressed with how Les managed it and Chiz didn't do a good job adjusting. I wouldn't have a problem saying he did a shitty job if that's how I felt, god knows it's happened before.
Chizik saw early that the only way LSU could score is if we turned the ball over by passing it against an elite secondary. He was extremely conservative and we ran the ball at will so he didn't feel the need to make any adjustments. I will also give credit to Miles for keeping that game much closer than it should have been but I wouldn't say that either really outcoached the other that day.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:12 pm to NYCAuburn
The one play I can give him credit for was the half back pass. it was a great call that worked to perfection.
Other than that, AU dominated the game aside form the remarkable performance of LSU's punter. That was a bit frustrating at the time because it did cause the score to be closer than it should be and give LSU a chance to tie the game late. However, I just don't get where Les particularly out coached Chiz simply because the score was closer than it should have been.
Other than that, AU dominated the game aside form the remarkable performance of LSU's punter. That was a bit frustrating at the time because it did cause the score to be closer than it should be and give LSU a chance to tie the game late. However, I just don't get where Les particularly out coached Chiz simply because the score was closer than it should have been.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:13 pm to marshallcotiger
I'd just like to point out that I said what I did to point out the absurdity of recalling someone's memory and feeling while watching the game as an argument in determining who out-coached whom that day.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:14 pm to marshallcotiger
quote:I think Chiz can get some credit for choosing to keep the ball on the ground, but I would say that Cam, the o-line and Malzahn deserve a most of the credit for the execution and specific play calling.
I wouldn't say that either really outcoached the other that day.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:15 pm to WDE24
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What was it that Les did so well that he out coached Chiz despite all the evidence to the contrary?
Well, Les' defense did allow over 440 rushing yards.
He should earn a medal.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:16 pm to WDE24
Look at how the game progressed, one team elevates its play and the other dwindles big time. someone adjusted while the other stalled
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:17 pm to WDE24
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What was it that Les did so well that he out coached Chiz despite all the evidence to the contrary?
It's been a few years and I'm not rewatching this game. This is getting ridiculous but I'm going to post my thoughts on what I remember and you're free to do with it what you will, which I'm sure will be to flame me some more but that's fine:
Going in we knew we were at a disadvantage on both sides of the ball. We came out on defense and played a pretty good bend but don't break scheme, conceding that Auburn was better than us but putting our defense in a position to not give up a lot of big plays or scores but instead force them to march down the field and use up time so the game would be shortened. On offense we kept it close to the vest and struck when opportunity knocks (the halfback pass was brilliant). When it didn't we leveraged our special teams advantage to pin them down close to the endzone and force them into really long drives which we were able to do. We knew we just had to keep it close and at the end we would have an opportunity to win the game and we did that to a T. The one thing we couldn't really do anything about was Cam being Cam and doing what he does. There was just no answer for that and when he scored on that long TD run there really was just nothing we could do about it. All told Miles did everything he possibly could to put us in position to have a chance to win the game and he did that. What else can you ask?
IMO this was a pretty predictable plan on our part and Chiz did a poor job in forcing us to commit more resources closer to the line, which could have been achieved with an effective short passing game and beating us up in the middle. The Auburn offensive line was really good that year and they did a good job blocking and keeping us off the ball but IMO I just didn't think the Auburn plan on offense was very good as it was a when if they had just kept it simple you probably would have scored every time you had the ball pinned down or not pinned down.
Overall I thought our coaches did a better job than your coaches in that game. At this point I'm really done talking about it and IDGAF whatever else you have to say about it.
tl;dr
flame away losers
This post was edited on 6/12/12 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:18 pm to TTsTowel
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Well, Les' defense did allow over 440 rushing yards.
Guess DS should give Chiz some credit for this year against LSU as well. he clearly outcoached Les this year
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:21 pm to NYCAuburn
5 outta 6
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Going in we knew we were at a disadvantage on both sides of the ball.
are you sure you remember
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conceding that Auburn was better than us but putting our defense in a position to not give up a lot of big plays
see statement above
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On offense we kept it close to the vest and struck when opportunity knocks (the halfback pass was brilliant).
and shite the bed in the second half
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Miles did everything he possibly could to put us in position to have a chance to win the game and he did that. What else can you ask?
Adjust??
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
LSU's punter was their best player on the field in the 2010 Auburn/LSU game. The dude single handedly kept that game closer than it should have been. He had (5) punts that AVERAGED 53 yds and killed (4) of them inside the Auburn 20 yd line. One of the few football games I have ever watched and noticed the punter stand out like that since that kid that kicked for West Virginia (Sauerbrun)......
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:23 pm to WDE24
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I think Chiz can get some credit for choosing to keep the ball on the ground, but I would say that Cam, the o-line and Malzahn deserve a most of the credit for the execution and specific play calling.
Not trying to bash Chizik, who I think doesn't get near enough credit from any fans outside of Auburn, but only a moron would have thrown against LSU's 2010 secondary, we had Peterson AND Claibourne.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:This is BS. AU had a really good O, but LSU had arguably the best D in the country. LSU and its fans were chirping about how Cam couldn't do his thing against the LSU D. Also, Au had an opportunistic D, but it wasn't a shut down D by any stretch of the imagination. This is pure revisionist history.
Going in we knew we were at a disadvantage on both sides of the ball.
quote:This I will agree with.
(the halfback pass was brilliant).
quote:Les chose to punt on 4th and long. The punter happened to have an unbelievable day. I just can't start giving Les much credit for this.
When it didn't we leveraged our special teams advantage to pin them down close to the endzone and force them into really long drives which we were able to do.
quote:WTF? We ran for 440 yards and had 550 total yards. He would have been an idiot to change what we were doing on O.
Chiz did a poor job in forcing us to commit more resources closer to the line,
quote:I don't even know what to say. They set offensive records against one of the best defenses in the country.
I just didn't think the Auburn plan on offense was very good
Posted on 6/12/12 at 5:25 pm to NYCAuburn
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NYCAuburn
Like I said, you're going to believe what you want to believe and I'm going to believe what i want to believe. There is really no point discussing it further as far as I'm concerned. I just put what I remember about that game out there just because I hadn't done it fully. We could keep going around the bend about this for another 10 pages I'm sure but why don't we save the rest of everyone's afternoon and agree to disagree.
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