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re: As The Plains Burn II: FBI arrests Auburn's Assist basketball coach
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:24 pm to JasonMason
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:24 pm to JasonMason
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What if NCAA officials are involved in this? Maybe that's why this whole charade has been going on for years and they've never stepped in. It took the FBI getting involved for this to happen.
This has been something I've been pondering. Then if Bama did force out someone tonight that knew of things while working for the NCAA...
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Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:26 pm to highcotton2
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You believe Nike does not know who John Petty is? Have you ever been to a Nike sponsored highschool basketball event? Obviously not.
Petty is ranked somewhere in the 30's range in the top 100. That rarely translates to NBA starter, which is what Nike, Adidas, UA, etc want if they are going to pay a player to go to a sponsored school. Regardless, wouldn't Nike rather see him play on national tv every week at UK? Sexton I can believe, Petty, not so much.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:28 pm to highcotton2
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I asked him why in the would would John Petty sign with Alabama over Kentucky and he told me that Petty's mother was paid $100,000 to go to Bama. I called bullshite and he said I had no idea how much influence shoe companies had on where kids went to school.
UK and Bama are both Nike schools. Why would Nike want Petty at a mid major basketball school like Alabama instead of the most watched team in the nation?
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:29 pm to Monticello
Because of the money, man. Come on now.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:31 pm to Monticello
quote:I'm not saying they did, but the answer is to expand their brand.
Why would Nike want Petty at a mid major basketball school like Alabama instead of the most watched team in the nation?
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:35 pm to Monticello
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UK and Bama are both Nike schools. Why would Nike want Petty at a mid major basketball school like Alabama instead of the most watched team in the nation?
I have no idea. Never really thought much about it until this all came out. The guy that told me this was a straight up a-hole who was trying to fight Florida fans three rows in front of us. So I never really put much stock in what he said because who in the hell would tell this to a stranger anyway if it was true.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:05 pm to Monticello
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Why would Nike want Petty at a mid major basketball school like Alabama instead of the most watched team in the nation?
The argument is Nike paid on behalf of Bama
Also Bama > UK due to football. You better believe they get concessions in BBall too. Plus, Nike wants to pump up all major brand name schools
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:29 pm to PearlJam
quote:It's happening, isn't it?quote:
The fact that it may impact a lot of programs and be primarily focused on agents and apparel companies, not recruiting, is probably good for the programs named so far.
Probably the best thing for AU would be for this thing to rapidly expand across a huge number of cbb powers.
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:36 pm to PearlJam
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It's happening, isn't it?
Bad news. We aren't a Cbb power.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:46 pm to PearlJam
The best news for Auburn is the specific crime Persons was charged with...."FRAUD." In other words, Persons, while under AU's employ, intentionally harmed Auburn by breaking NCAA rules while personally benefiting from the secret bribe money. The fraud was committed against Auburn University.
Now, if Auburn was somehow complicit in this scheme, ie, they knew about it or encouraged Persons to do this in order to benefit Auburn's basketball team, the FBI could not charge Persons with fraud. They could charge him with using public office for personal gain, but not fraud. You can't defraud an entity that supports your supposedly fraudulent behavior.
My prediction is that the 2 paid players become ineligible but not much happens to the Auburn basketball program.
Now, if Auburn was somehow complicit in this scheme, ie, they knew about it or encouraged Persons to do this in order to benefit Auburn's basketball team, the FBI could not charge Persons with fraud. They could charge him with using public office for personal gain, but not fraud. You can't defraud an entity that supports your supposedly fraudulent behavior.
My prediction is that the 2 paid players become ineligible but not much happens to the Auburn basketball program.
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 12:28 am to Monticello
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My prediction is that the 2 paid players become ineligible but not much happens to the Auburn basketball program.
Unless some other news comes out, this is basically all that can happen. Unless Persons sings like a bitch. Which could happen
Posted on 9/28/17 at 5:07 am to LanierSpots
The players will be reinstated across the country. 10 game suspensions after they pay back the money. The players are victims of unscrupulous coaches and Athletic Directors. The FBI is not after Auburn. They want folks to think they might be arrested.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 5:49 am to allin2010
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The players will be reinstated across the country. 10 game suspensions after they pay back the money. The players are victims of unscrupulous coaches and Athletic Directors. The FBI is not after Auburn. They want folks to think they might be arrested.
This is a real possibility for most of them. The kid that got 100,000 to sign is probably done for good.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 5:58 am to JustGetItRight
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This is a real possibility for most of them. The kid that got 100,000 to sign is probably done for good.
If he is willing to pay back$100k he might be fine, doubt it though
Posted on 9/28/17 at 6:03 am to allin2010
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The players are victims of unscrupulous coaches and Athletic Directors.
No they are not. And you will never get me to agree on that. They are willing participants and should be punished as well.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 6:10 am to LanierSpots
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No they are not. And you will never get me to agree on that. They are willing participants and should be punished as well.
They broke no laws as long as they claim it on their taxes. The parents should consider doing that.
Coaches, agents, boosters should be prosecuted, this is the only way. Take this away from the NCAA. The NCAA is as complicent as the colleges.
Chuck can go to Jail.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 6:15 am to allin2010
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They broke no laws as long as they claim it on their taxes
No but a current player accepting money is against NCAA rules. And they know it
Posted on 9/28/17 at 6:19 am to LanierSpots
Wall Street Journal wrote an article saying the FBI pretense for this whole thing is basically legal gymnastics
It's not clear what these coaches / staffers were doing were even illegal
It's not clear what these coaches / staffers were doing were even illegal
Posted on 9/28/17 at 6:29 am to LanierSpots
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No they are not. And you will never get me to agree on that. They are willing participants and should be punished as well.
This. Nobody has ever forced thousands of dollars into my pocket and taught me to act normal like it never happened.
Edit)My Sig is updated.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 6:32 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:14 am to highcotton2
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Last year I was at the SEC Championship in Atlanta and I was sitting beside a guy who said he was an AAU coach from Birmingham. We got to talking about basketball in North Alabama. I asked him why in the would would John Petty sign with Alabama over Kentucky and he told me that Petty's mother was paid $100,000 to go to Bama. I called bullshite and he said I had no idea how much influence shoe companies had on where kids went to school.
I don't doubt it at all. Really surprised Kentucky hasn't been mentioned yet. Anthony Davis initially committed to tOSU on a visit but then asked for an obscene amount of cash (>$250K) so Matta told him to GTFO. KY fans will call BS but it's true. As someone mentioned before, Cal must just be smarter about how he does it to make sure he doesn't get caught.
Same thing happened with Kobe Simmons who asked for $100K and ended up at Arizona. The difference with Simmons is that he had never visited Arizona but committed to coaches (including Miller) that flew in to see him the day after Matta said GFY.
There were many others as well.
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