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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:18 pm to piggidyphish
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:18 pm to piggidyphish
Editted due to lameness.
again, jacked from another board.
again, jacked from another board.
This post was edited on 8/5/13 at 3:23 pm
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Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:20 pm to piggidyphish
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you forgot that they are both quarterbacks.
Excellent point, and both are human beings.
Other than that, Johnny is no Cam... no Cam at all.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:20 pm to TooCold
idiots.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:21 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
well now we have a dead body. Finally, this thread is starting to get somewhere.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:21 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
lame
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:21 pm to piggidyphish
Poor AJ.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:22 pm to elit4ce05
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elit4ce05
You are confusing the definition vs what causes the amateurism status to change.
12.1.2 Amateur status. An individual loses amateur status and thus shall not be eligible for intercollegiate competition in a particular sport if the individual:
(a) Uses his or her athletics skill (directly or indirectly) for pay in any form in that sport;
(b) Accepts a promise of pay even if such pay is to be received following completion of intercollegiate athletics participation;
(c) Signs a contract or commitment of any kind to play professional athletics, regardless of its legal enforceability or any consideration received, except as permitted in Bylaw 12.2.5.1;
And let's skip down to the only one that matters...
(g) Enters into an agreement with an agent
Did He enter into an agreement with an agent?
12.02.1 Agent. An agent is any individual who, directly or indirectly:
(a) Represents or attempts to represent an individual for the purpose of marketing his or her athletics ability or reputation for financial gain; or
Here, JFF is in the clear. He did not enter an agreement with Fitch for the above. Next
(b) Seeks to obtain any type of financial gain or benefit from securing a prospective student-athlete’s enrollment at an educational institution
Has nothing to do with the enrollment process (NEWTON )
or from a student-athlete’s potential earnings as a professional athlete.
Had zero to do with that.
Application:
An agent may include, but is not limited to, a certified contract advisor, financial
advisor, marketing representative, brand manager or anyone who is employed or associated with such persons.
None of that has been met.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:23 pm to elit4ce05
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lame
agreed, I removed.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:24 pm to lowspark12
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IMO, Dan Wetzel's yahoo article hit the nail on the head... the NCAA will have a very difficult time proving payment was made... in all likelihood, JM plays the entire season.
I think most would agree that a rule that allows everyone and their brother to profit off of the name Johnny Manziel, except for Johnny Manziel himself, is wrong. I know it would hurt A&M and JFF likely would be ineligible, but part of me does wish he'd step up and say, hell yes I did, and there's nothing wrong with it either and see if he can't force a rule change. Lord knows he already has the $$$, the notoriety, he's going to get drafted regardless, and he's certainly cocky enough to do it. I just think the rule is bullshite and until someone forces a change, it won't change.
Having said that, it won't and probably shouldn't happen, for A&M and JFF's sake.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:24 pm to cyde
Cam got 6 figures, Johnny got 5.
Proof positive Cam > Johnny.
Proof positive Cam > Johnny.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:25 pm to darkhorse
None of that applies to the rule posted.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:25 pm to MrSEC
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Didn't the NCAA publicly state there was wrong doing, but the language would not allow them to do anything?
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No.
why'd they suspend him for a day then?????
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:29 pm to madddoggydawg
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why'd they suspend him for a day then
Who is they?
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:29 pm to elit4ce05
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None of that applies to the rule posted
That is the rule! It's what you partly quoted.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:30 pm to madddoggydawg
Better safe than sorry? Also, I'm dying to see what people around Houston are saying about this. I wonder how many fires I'll hear this afternoon?
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:32 pm to madddoggydawg
IIRC, Auburn ruled Cam ineligible and the NCAA reinstated his eligibility right before the SECCG... all took place on the same day.
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:33 pm to darkhorse
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After that meeting, three sources said, Manziel, accompanied by his friend and personal assistant Nathan Fitch, ..
so this guy wasn't employed by the manziels?
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:34 pm to madddoggydawg
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why'd they suspend him for a day then?????
They = NCAA?
They didn't.
They = Auburn?
Yes, they did. And the NCAA immediately reinstated him.
This post was edited on 8/5/13 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:39 pm to elit4ce05
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so this guy wasn't employed by the manziels?
Yes he was. But not for any listed purpose under the NCAA guidelines that you sited or that is located with section 12.
Again, the loophole with Cam was for the enrollment process. It was to add who to the definition of an agent. This is going to deal with the known description of what Fitch was to JFF.
This post was edited on 8/5/13 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 8/5/13 at 3:41 pm to madddoggydawg
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Didn't the NCAA publicly state there was wrong doing, but the language would not allow them to do anything?
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No.
why'd they suspend him for a day then?????
Auburn suspended Cam for a day, then the NCAA re-instated him before the UGA game. That was why there was no QB named as the starter for the UGA game until it was announced in the stadium.
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