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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:27 pm to Diamondawg
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:27 pm to Diamondawg
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Reality works
I'll wait for a link then.
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:29 pm to JakeMongoose
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I don't intend to have a steak this weekend. Does that mean I will under no circumstances have a steak this weekend? How will you know if I do?
Do I have any reason to assume you will? If you spontaneously decide to have a steak, was someone five minutes earlier saying all evidence suggested you would not suddenly wrong?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:31 pm to mrbroker
Still apples to oranges, sorry. Otherwise you have to agree that USCw's Lee, USCe's Clowney, and Louisville's Bridgewater must also be under investigation, right? Because all of those schools issued statements claiming their athletes were in the clear.
ETA: Oops. Can't have 2 USC's.
ETA: Oops. Can't have 2 USC's.
This post was edited on 8/14/13 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:32 pm to mrbroker
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You are ok not accepting quotes from ESPN about what they have been told but you are ok with quotes from similar sources saying what the NCAA has or has not.
If we're operating under the premise that media reports carry weight, then those are applicable. If we're not operating under such a premise, the initial reports are irrelevant anyway and Manziel has nothing to worry about.
I have my doubts about ESPN's reporting, but I'm playing the game everyone here wants A&M fans to play. If you accept the reports of wrongdoing, you must also accept those pertaining to the current state of the investigation.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:33 pm to Roger Klarvin
from what I understand there were many others besides the broker in the room. Just because the broker does not choose to talk to the NCAA there leaves plenty of others that may talk or who have been approached. So assuming there are just 2-3 people who know what happened would be pretty naive. So since the wheels of justice (aka NZAA) move slow then I don't expect anything is resolved prior to first game.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:37 pm to JakeMongoose
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I don't intend to have a steak this weekend. Does that mean I will under no circumstances have a steak this weekend? How will you know if I do?
I'm in favor of you having a steak this weekend despite your poor choice of which school to root for. What are weekends for, if not steak?
Something that has bothered me about the brokers from the start is "why would they do this?" There's the obvious revenge motive spelled out in Feldman's article, but if that's all it is you'd think one of them would agree to giving his name and cooperating with the NCAA. On the other hand, if they're all completely honest and really did pay Manziel, why rat him out? That makes no sense, either.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:38 pm to Roger Klarvin
You are banking on there being no other brokers that have not come forward publicly and the ones who have not changing their minds. Definitively saying no broker will cooperate is something nobody can do at this point.
The bottom line is nobody knows what the NCAA knows or what they will be able to uncover at this point. Anyone hanging their hopes on media reports at this point is foolish.
And you may be 100% correct and everybody keeps their mouths shut and it goes no further than this. But nobody can say with 100% certainty at this point.
The bottom line is nobody knows what the NCAA knows or what they will be able to uncover at this point. Anyone hanging their hopes on media reports at this point is foolish.
And you may be 100% correct and everybody keeps their mouths shut and it goes no further than this. But nobody can say with 100% certainty at this point.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:38 pm to MMB5DAP
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The difference comes where the institution is concerned. If A&M paid $100,000 for JFF to sign with A&M, that would have very different repercussions than Johnny selling his autographs of his own accord for $100,000
The only way this hurts A&M directly is either if:
A.) They know he's lying and is covering up
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B.) They're doing a half-arsed job of investigating.
The first one would have serious ramifications against the program, the second minor ones.
If A&M does due diligence, finds nothing, plays Manziel and he's ruled ineligible - they'll have to vacate the games. That would also mean no longer being in possession of any championships they win.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:39 pm to mrbroker
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from what I understand there were many others besides the broker in the room.
I think this is where the case falls apart. If I learned anything at all from the Wire, it's exceedingly unlikely that anyone was paid in the room they signed autographs. Certainly it didn't happen in front of anyone.
It's basic corner game yo. One guy takes the money. One guy hands the product. They don't do it in the same place.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:40 pm to finestfirst79
i did not read Feldman but I did hear the story from the ESPn guy who started following this..No one came forward from what I recall. someone started digging into all the stuff that was found at a public setting where all this memorabilia was on display and hundreds of JFF stuff was found. This person started the investigation. Once they started digging there were other signings that they found and other brokers. I seriously doubt any of these brokers came forward on their own
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:42 pm to skrayper
and if true that he was paid in Bham prior to the Bama game last year then they would have to vacate any wins after that friday night.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:44 pm to tmc94
yes but my point being that there may be more people in the room who saw the signings and were party to the comment about needing money for rims or I can't sign anything for free. i have read where those comments were made on the VIdeo that espn heard but refused to pay for. I paraphrased those comments but you get the drift
IF multiple people heard these comments and say so with the NCAA then it could be hurtful to JFF's cause
IF multiple people heard these comments and say so with the NCAA then it could be hurtful to JFF's cause
This post was edited on 8/14/13 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:45 pm to finestfirst79
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I'm in favor of you having a steak this weekend despite your poor choice of which school to root for. What are weekends for, if not steak?
As far as it goes, TAMU is my favorite 'other' team in the SEC West. We share a history and share a few coaches (two we love and admire, one not so much).
As far as why the brokers are ratting him out, it has been speculated that JFF signed so many items it flooded the market and depressed their value. Couple that with Paul Manzeil suing a number of them and you might have a motive.
For all we know, there are half a dozen brokers cooperating at this point. We don't know what the NCAA knows, who they are talking to, or where it will go. The NCAA will do what it damn well pleases.
And I think I will have a steak this weekend and a beer and I will toast to your good health when I do so.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:47 pm to JakeMongoose
tell Iman hello next time you have work done on your A/C unit..haha
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:48 pm to JakeMongoose
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The broker said he does not intend to cooperate with the ongoing NCAA investigation
I don't intend to have a steak this weekend. Does that mean I will under no circumstances have a steak this weekend? How will you know if I do?
They'll never cooperate....until they do
They'll never testify....until they do
They'll go to trial....until they plead
They'll not be a candidate....until they announce
People say one thing in public while they are working a deal.
The NCAA, like the Feds, works slowly, with little fanfare, until they make their move and it's usually not good news.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:48 pm to mrbroker
Schad did not say another soul was on that video. Seems pretty pertinent info to leave out if there were other witnesses.
Also he didn't say Johnny said that he needed money. In fact he specifically said Manziel never mentioned money. The rims comment was simply hearsay from his anonymous source.
Also he didn't say Johnny said that he needed money. In fact he specifically said Manziel never mentioned money. The rims comment was simply hearsay from his anonymous source.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:49 pm to TwelfthMan
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LINK
I like Reilly as an entertainer, but keep in mind he was one of Lance Armstrong's biggest defenders right up until the end. Having Reilly speak up for Manziel is not exactly helpful to Manziel, in my opinion.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:49 pm to arrakis
and if the feds get involved in anything because of IRS implications then the chit really hits the fan..I think in the Means situation this is what finally got the memphis man in trouble.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:50 pm to mrbroker
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tell Iman hello next time you have work done on your A/C unit..haha
I know who he works for and nobody in that company ever gets anywhere near my AC.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 5:50 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Roger Klarvin
What I do know is that every single person accusing Manziel directly is not cooperating.
Actually, you don't know that at all. At least one broker has said he won't cooperate, but the accusations have come from various people, including three who claim to have knowledge of the Miami signings, and they haven't said any such thing about not cooperating with the investigation.
And "I haven't seen anything yet that shows he got paid" isn't exactly a vehement denial from his own attorney. The attorney's interview with Cowherd is very telling. Jim Darnell says he thinks Manziel will play, but when asked if, in his opinion, Manziel signed for free, after a long silence Darnell refuses to answer, citing NCAA concerns. That's bogus. If Manziel didn't take money, there would be nothing to fear from the NCAA if his attorney came out and vehemently said that.
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