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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us
Posted on 8/14/13 at 3:35 pm to bama my heart
Posted on 8/14/13 at 3:35 pm to bama my heart
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I just want to ask an A&M fan. In your post you implied that you think Manziel is guilty, but it has to be proven. One of the main things that I have heard over the years was about the Aggy honor code and how much it means to you, and that nothing is more important than that. Don't you think that since you feel that he is guilty that it is going against the code to let JM stay on the team, and that you're putting the wins ahead of your code of honor? Now, I'm not saying that anything is wrong with that, because no one puts more emphasis on championships and winning than we Bama fans, but we admit that is the most important thing.
I don't remember a lot about the Albert Means case that got Bama in so much trouble, but does anyone know if the NCAA ever had actual proof and not just anonymous witnesses that a booster paid money? Did they have bank statements or pictures or tapes? I really don't remember quite how this all came down, except that Phillip Fulmar from Tenn. was one of the anonymous witnessess.
Well to address this, you'd probably actually,you know, have to actually know what our honor code is to begin with.
"An Aggie doesn't lie, cheat, or steal or tolerate those who do"
Did Manziel lie? Hasn't said anything yet as far as I know. So no lies (yet).
Did Manziel cheat? He broke a rule (maybe) but he didnt take PED or anything else like that. So no to cheating.
Did Manziel Steal? Being compensated for your signature isn't stealing.
So even if Manziel did sell his autographs, as long as he doesnt lie he still abided by the aggie honor code.
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 3:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 3:35 pm to PRK
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Repair his relationship with God?
What the frick
Manziel’s dad also said that his son drinks to deal with stress, and has anger issues that cause concern for the family.
“I don’t know where the anger comes from,” Paul said. “I don’t think he knows. If it comes from his drinking, or if he’s mad at himself for not being a better person when he fails, when he fails God and his mom and me. If it makes him angry that he’s got demons in him. You can only speculate because you can’t go in there.”
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/30/johnny-manziels-dad-worries-it-could-all-come-unraveled/
Posted on 8/14/13 at 3:36 pm to CosmicGas93361
Bama fought back and got them no where..you have to understand the member schools own and govern the NCAA..You do now this right
Posted on 8/14/13 at 3:38 pm to mrbroker
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i think at this point compliance with TAMU has already asked JFF unless they don't want to know the answer. And if they have not asked the question up to now then I think that would fall under the lack of institutional control button.
Though nothing is out there showing either way, I'm sure they have asked him. I also would suspect he said he has signed autos but hasn't ever been paid. At which point the compliance folks can say that he has been accused by others and he can say it's not true. It still comes back to that money trail.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 3:39 pm to mrbroker
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 3:40 pm to aggressor
would JFF lie to tamu? and it has more to do with whether he, nate or anyone else on his part took money..That question being asked can't only be whether the athlete took money
Posted on 8/14/13 at 3:41 pm to CosmicGas93361
i don't follow you...what does money have to do with things..you are saying Tamu money and others money will force the ncaa to not dig up all unturned stones..IF you think this then I think you may be pretty naive.
NOw in the future I do believe about 80 CFB teams will break away from the ncaa and form their own league, but that league will still be owned by the member schools
NOw in the future I do believe about 80 CFB teams will break away from the ncaa and form their own league, but that league will still be owned by the member schools
Posted on 8/14/13 at 3:42 pm to mrbroker
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would JFF lie to tamu? and it has more to do with whether he, nate or anyone else on his part took money..That question being asked can't only be whether the athlete took money
I think he would lie. It is on A&M to conduct an investigation and see if there is evidence to the allegations. If they look for and do not find it, then I don't see why A&M would do anything to JFF.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 3:45 pm to MMB5DAP
i agree with that..but if he lies and TAMU uncovers things before he plays or after he plays then they would be required to bring that to the NCAA and let them deal with things. They would then be required to submit self imposed sanctions and more then likely part of those would be to suspend x player for a number of games and force him to pay things back as well as vacate any wins that he played in
Posted on 8/14/13 at 3:49 pm to mrbroker
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 3:50 pm to CosmicGas93361
quote:They don't care about that shite. They are also highly irrational.
Of course I do but there is more big money and power with the alumni from some of those schools than the NCAA could possibly possess.
As for evidence, the NCAA considers that to be "whatever they deem it to be," according to an NCAA official I interviewed in college, back during the DuBose scandal(s).
Being investigated by the NCAA is like walking down a street in Baghdad: you might get shot in the leg, arm, or chest, or you might get blown up by a bomb, or you may not be hurt at all. Your actions/guilt/innocence have little-to-no bearing on the outcome.
This post was edited on 8/14/13 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 8/14/13 at 3:51 pm to CosmicGas93361
they could but won't give you the death penalty..they will rule you ineligible to play for SEC and NC. and having money people try to strong arm the NCAA to make a decision won't fly as you will have money people doing it in the future and at that point there would be no laws and it would be the wild wild west.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 3:55 pm to CosmicGas93361
quote:Ban them from competition with other member schools; they can also keep sports other than football from post-season competition.
What really, can the NCAA do to a school that does not want to conform to a ruling by them?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:02 pm to mrbroker
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:05 pm to CosmicGas93361
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What if the NCAA does suspend him and A&M says screw you and plays him anyway?
What if A&M says come at me bro?
Just how powerful is the NCAA? They are not the law.
bullshite....in college athletics the NCAA *IS* the law. If A&M wants to get into a pissing contest with the NCAA they'll get reamed.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:09 pm to CosmicGas93361
U either young or Naive..all other NCAA schools to stay in the good graces would be forced to cancel all games with TAMu if TAMU was given the death penalty. I am pretty sure the oil money at SMU tried to keep SMU out of the death penalty..It got them a long way I think.
Even if 80 schools break away and form the NCAA-FB-schools there will still be rules and regulations that all member schools agree to abide by.
Tamu as a school has agreed to abide by the NCAA rules and regulations as it comes to sports.
Even if 80 schools break away and form the NCAA-FB-schools there will still be rules and regulations that all member schools agree to abide by.
Tamu as a school has agreed to abide by the NCAA rules and regulations as it comes to sports.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:17 pm to Sargentwinslow9
I agree with all you said, but...
Common sense says if he signed over 4000 items (or even a quarter of that) then he or Nate as his agent got paid. But why do we think he signed 4000 items? Because brokers out for revenge say so? I may have missed something, but where is all this stuff he signed?
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...and that Johnny did not sign 4K items for free
Common sense says if he signed over 4000 items (or even a quarter of that) then he or Nate as his agent got paid. But why do we think he signed 4000 items? Because brokers out for revenge say so? I may have missed something, but where is all this stuff he signed?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:19 pm to mrbroker
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) i agree with that..but if he lies and TAMU uncovers things before he plays or after he plays then they would be required to bring that to the NCAA and let them deal with things. They would then be required to submit self imposed sanctions and more then likely part of those would be to suspend x player for a number of games and force him to pay things back as well as vacate any wins that he played in
We have a very good compliance office partially because of the shitestorm that was the SWC regarding recruiting. I have full faith in that part of the equation. If JFF lied, and we see evidence supporting that, we will sit him. We will have to.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 4:20 pm to Sargentwinslow9
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There are people in this very thread who are skeptical over the existence of this video.
Maybe - I'm not one of those and there's no way Joe Schad would just completely make up the whole story. But from Schad's report the video doesn't say much.
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