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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:44 am to RT1941
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:44 am to RT1941
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If JFF signed the thousands of items, knowing they would be sold for profit, and he didn't receive any of the money, can he be ruled ineligible? So actual $$ doesn't have to change hands to be ruled ineligible?
I doubt that's the case. That would be ridiculous. Every college football player played in games where tickets and ads for tv were sold for profit! They didn't receive any of that money, but they should all be ineligible!
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Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:46 am to skrayper
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If he's guilty - would you want him playing for Texas A&M?
If there was solid evidence then no, I wouldnt want him to play. I wouldnt want our program to suffer because of one individual (as of right now the A&M board and the lawyers feel as though there is no solid evidence and have decided to keep him on the field).
The lawyer group has the best intentions of the Univsersity as a whole in mind. If they say they think this could go the wrong way then they will advise to suspend him/bench him to avoid team consequences.
However, as of right now its alot of smoke and no fire.
And until the flames come to light I will be looking forward to seeing him on the field. And then getting the hell out of College Station after this year.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:47 am to redfieldk717
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If JFF signed the thousands of items, knowing they would be sold for profit, and he didn't receive any of the money, can he be ruled ineligible? So actual $$ doesn't have to change hands to be ruled ineligible?
quote:Makes sense why the cease 'n desist letters were sent by the Manziel's and why the family had Johnny Football trademarked.
he would then be ineligible. the rule says he would have to make an effort to stop it in some way
No wonder these brokers are coming out of the woodwork. One of the brokers paid $10,000 to an authenticator for the JFF signatures. These brokers may be sitting on a load of JFF signed shite that they were hoping to unload on e-Bay, etc. and now they can't do a damn thing with all that stuff.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:47 am to Diamondawg
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You are delusional if you think they (NCAA) have to.
Then something would have already been done. They have signed witness statements, photos, videos, all showing him signing. Why havent they done anything about it?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:48 am to redfieldk717
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this is not the court of law, the ncaa doesnt have to prove anything
actually the official NCAA standard is “clear and convincing evidence” which is pretty much the standard in a civil court case. It's not "beyond reasonable doubt" but it's not anywhere close to without proof.
This post was edited on 8/14/13 at 9:49 am
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:49 am to 3andOut
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I will be looking forward to seeing him on the field. And then getting the hell out of College Station after this year.
Word. Had been holding out a little hope that he'd stay for a junior campaign, but that sentiment is long gone now. Love him as a player but not the drama that comes with him.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:49 am to RT1941
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Makes sense why the cease 'n desist letters were sent by the Manziel's and why the family had Johnny Football trademarked.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:55 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Word. Had been holding out a little hope that he'd stay for a junior campaign, but that sentiment is long gone now. Love him as a player but not the drama that comes with him.
I honestly wish he bleed maroon the way so many of our players do. Truth is he doesnt. And it is sad. Its not very often a player so talented walks onto the field. And its even more rare that as a life long die hard fan I dont really want to see him stay longer than necessary, but the fact of the matter is we had a football program before JFF and will still have a football program after him. id rather lose one of the most entertaining athletes ive ever seen wear an A&M jersey move on to the NFL than the program be punished for more and more antics if he decided to stay.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:55 am to 3andOut
quote:So if they are say, 50% done with the investigation, they stop and say, hey - we have enough. Nail him?
Then something would have already been done.
Or, do they wait until they complete the investigation and release the findings all at once?
Hmmmmmmmm?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:56 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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If JFF signed the thousands of items, knowing they would be sold for profit, and he didn't receive any of the money, can he be ruled ineligible? So actual $$ doesn't have to change hands to be ruled ineligible?
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I doubt that's the case. That would be ridiculous. Every college football player played in games where tickets and ads for tv were sold for profit! They didn't receive any of that money, but they should all be ineligible!
Kinda different isn't it? A player signs a contract to play for an institution, therefore he is agreeing to play in games where tickets are sold to spectators for admission to the event and most are televised. When a player signs a contract to play for an NCAA program, he also agrees to adhere to the rules of the NCAA and the school.
JFF voluntarily agreed to spend his time traveling to multiple signing sessions where brokers arranged professional authenticators and thousands of items where available for his signature. JFF had to know those items would be sold for money.
This post was edited on 8/14/13 at 9:59 am
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:57 am to skrayper
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If he's guilty - would you want him playing for Texas A&M?
Y'all are acting like all transgressions are the same. This is a traffic ticket, not felony assault. Even if guilty, Manziel received no advantage on the playing field or in the classroom. Not in the past and not in the future. No one from Texas A&M was involved so he was not compensated for play in any way. He didn't do anything illegal. No one was harmed in any way - a purely victimless "crime."
If guilty, he broke a rule. Breaking rules has consequences. But let's not pretend he raped someone and dismantled her life. We all break rules daily. I freely admit to speeding this morning. If caught, I would have suffered consequences. But the idea that my friends or employer should disassociate with me because of it is simply absurd. So no, it won't bother me a bit if he plays every game.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:00 am to tmc94
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So no, it won't bother me a bit if he plays every game.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:05 am to 3andOut
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I honestly wish he bleed maroon the way so many of our players do. Truth is he doesnt. And it is sad. Its not very often a player so talented walks onto the field. And its even more rare that as a life long die hard fan I dont really want to see him stay longer than necessary, but the fact of the matter is we had a football program before JFF and will still have a football program after him. id rather lose one of the most entertaining athletes ive ever seen wear an A&M jersey move on to the NFL than the program be punished for more and more antics if he decided to stay.
Cosigned. It's been a very........unusual experience for our fanbase thus far, to say the least.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:06 am to TbirdSpur2010
do you think he does not bleed maroon as you guys say because he really wanted to go somewhere else and TAMU is the only one that said they would let him play QB?
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:10 am to mrbroker
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do you think he does not bleed maroon as you guys say because he really wanted to go somewhere else and TAMU is the only one that said they would let him play QB?
Absolutely, and that's natural.
Aggies really are used to players immersing themselves in the culture of a&m. Manziel obviously marches to the beat of his own drum. Nothing wrong with it, but just not something we're accustomed to as a fanbase.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:14 am to 3andOut
IIRC, several old ags have said that Bucky Richardson was far worse than Manziel, but there was no twitter, facebook, instagram, etc. in 1991.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:17 am to mrbroker
I don't think any of us doubts that Johnny would have preferred to play at UTw, but Mack only offered him a scholarship as a safety and Johnny wanted to play QB. Hell, I think he would have preferred Oregon to A&M, but he jumped ship when they also offered Mariotta. We're a temporary marriage of convenience for him and that's okay; happens all the time.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:17 am to GalvoAg
There have been cases where a player did a photo for a calendar which a charity sold to make money. The player received nothing. By NCAA rules he was guilty of selling his likeness for profit.
Is that fair? No, but that was the rule at that time.
And if it is still in force Johnny will sit.
Is that fair? No, but that was the rule at that time.
And if it is still in force Johnny will sit.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:20 am to tmc94
This. Every bit of this.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:20 am to tmc94
A "traffic ticket"? This has the potential to totally train wreck your season & he's pretty much thrown his teammates under the bus by being greedy & selfish. So, your comment that "no one was harmed" is not true. Ask the seniors on the team. He fricked them big time & whether this goes down or not, it still speaks to his frame of mind. He knew it was illegal & that if caught it would have serious consequences for his teammates..and did it anyway.
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