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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:01 am to Spirit Of Aggieland
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:01 am to Spirit Of Aggieland
I might be called out as a troll, but there's quite a few people that agree with me. You know someone is delusional when people agree with a troll.
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Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:01 am to utisdabomb12
It's common knowledge that Texas A&M will sit JFF for the first three games as this plays out. They are doing the smart thing here.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:02 am to Spirit Of Aggieland
quote:Nah - if the NCAA loses that one it could cost billions. One (Manziel) has very little to do with the other (O'Bannon). How much more could it possibly cost them if they lost that case and Manziel jumped on board?
NCAA could be influenced by other factors such as looming O'Bannon case so they might sit till it blows over
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:04 am to Diamondawg
Plus Manziel isn't going to sue anyone. That would give the NCAA subpoena power, to find more evidence against him. No way he wants more of this.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:04 am to JakeMongoose
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So JFF and the TAMU faithful would have you believe that he signed over 5,000 items out of the kindness of his heart.
All we would have people believe is that humans lie from time to time
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:05 am to Roger Klarvin
You can't be that delusional? Really?
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:14 am to utisdabomb12
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utisdabomb12
Still at it, huh?
Are you [redacted]?
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Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:14 am to Roger Klarvin
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All we would have people believe is that humans lie from time to time
You talking about Johnny or...nevermind. I guess you're talking about the multiple brokers, right?
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:15 am to utisdabomb12
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You can't be that delusional? Really?
Have you amassed most of your posts on this one topic?
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:16 am to bamasgot13
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You talking about Johnny or...nevermind. I guess you're talking about the multiple brokers, right?
Autograph brokers seem like an ethical group.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:17 am to ctiger69
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It's common knowledge that Texas A&M will sit JFF for the first three games as this plays out.
Link?
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:19 am to utisdabomb12
If he's guilty, and the NCAA can somehow give sufficient explanation that A&M *KNEW* he was guilty, then they will be forced to forfeit games and probably very heavy sanctions.
If he's guilty and the NCAA cannot show or give reasonable cause to presume A&M was aware, then they will likely vacate wins instead. If they are demonstrated as being incompetent in their investigations, the sanctions though will be severe - if they are shown due diligence, then minor (if any) sanctions will arise, but 2013 will be a bust.
If he's guilty but sits out during the investigation, A&M goes into battle sans their Heisman winning QB. Even so, they pull none of the best East teams, and have an absurdly easy OOC schedule. Even without Manziel they'll win 8 games, minimum, IMO.
If he's innocent and sits, then they potentially lose those games for nothing.
If he's innocent and plays, then the season goes ahead as everyone expected it to a just a few months ago.
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I don't envy Sumlin's options there.
If he's guilty and the NCAA cannot show or give reasonable cause to presume A&M was aware, then they will likely vacate wins instead. If they are demonstrated as being incompetent in their investigations, the sanctions though will be severe - if they are shown due diligence, then minor (if any) sanctions will arise, but 2013 will be a bust.
If he's guilty but sits out during the investigation, A&M goes into battle sans their Heisman winning QB. Even so, they pull none of the best East teams, and have an absurdly easy OOC schedule. Even without Manziel they'll win 8 games, minimum, IMO.
If he's innocent and sits, then they potentially lose those games for nothing.
If he's innocent and plays, then the season goes ahead as everyone expected it to a just a few months ago.
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I don't envy Sumlin's options there.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:19 am to Spirit Of Aggieland
Let me lay this out in a 2 pronged effort for you Aggie fans.
1.Here is how A&M and Sumlin should/better handle this case.
They should bring JFF in and tell him point blank, look we aren't going to play you as long as this NCAA investigation is ongoing , which might be all year , so you sit all year or you come clean and tell the truth, pay back the money and we will propose a 2 game suspension ( probably be 4-6 ) and then after the suspension is over, you can play.
2.Scenario # 2 , the Reggie Bush syndrome , unlike Cam Newton, whose father asked for money, thereby technically tying the NCAAs hands , if any disgruntled agent / autograph dealer comes forward in the future a la the USC / Reggie Bush case , TAMU will , WILL, WILL get hammered by the NCAA, which is why the 1st alternative I set forth above is the way to go.
Don't let yourselves be fooled because of the way the NCAA handled the CAM NEWTON case , the father would have had to roll on the son , the NCAA by the way has since changed the by-law and a father seeking payment for a son is now an infringement.
1.Here is how A&M and Sumlin should/better handle this case.
They should bring JFF in and tell him point blank, look we aren't going to play you as long as this NCAA investigation is ongoing , which might be all year , so you sit all year or you come clean and tell the truth, pay back the money and we will propose a 2 game suspension ( probably be 4-6 ) and then after the suspension is over, you can play.
2.Scenario # 2 , the Reggie Bush syndrome , unlike Cam Newton, whose father asked for money, thereby technically tying the NCAAs hands , if any disgruntled agent / autograph dealer comes forward in the future a la the USC / Reggie Bush case , TAMU will , WILL, WILL get hammered by the NCAA, which is why the 1st alternative I set forth above is the way to go.
Don't let yourselves be fooled because of the way the NCAA handled the CAM NEWTON case , the father would have had to roll on the son , the NCAA by the way has since changed the by-law and a father seeking payment for a son is now an infringement.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:20 am to S.E.C. Crazy
Didn't read that 
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:22 am to S.E.C. Crazy
it would be so Aggie for them to play him during an investigation, and risk killing their program for a while. 
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:25 am to utisdabomb12
Surely aggy administration is not that stupid.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:26 am to RunningBlake
If they have the same mindset as their fans, I think so.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:29 am to RunningBlake
quote:If I was A&M, I would immediately petition the NCAA for a ruling on his eligibility. It's then on the NCAA. Now, you may not get the answer you are hoping for but at least it is on them and won't come back to hurt your program. The A&M program is way bigger than Johnny - even if the Aggie fans here don't realize it.
Surely aggy administration is not that stupid.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:30 am to Diamondawg
I honestly think the Aggie lawyers are going to find some evidence in their own internal investigation, and that will force their hand.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 11:31 am to utisdabomb12
Looks like he's done, finished.
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