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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us
Posted on 8/8/13 at 11:47 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 8/8/13 at 11:47 am to Roger Klarvin
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but your starting RB is a two time felony offender
Misdemeanor.
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Posted on 8/8/13 at 11:50 am to madddoggydawg
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Why not just sit back and cross your fingers and see if he gets away with it? It would prepare yourself much better for when the NCAA suspends him, y'know, for making money from autographs
Because at this point there is no reason to believe he will be suspended. Until someone, somewhere, provides the NCAA with something other than the word and supposed recordings of a convicted criminal then I'm not gonna lose much sleep over it.
Posted on 8/8/13 at 11:50 am to IT_Dawg
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Either there is a money trail, which JFF should just tell Texas A&M about or there is not, in which case, A&M should have already done what USCw, South Carolina, and Louisville have done and clear their players....
Georgia should be making a statement clearing Gurley pretty soon.
Posted on 8/8/13 at 11:50 am to Roger Klarvin
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but your starting RB is a two time felony offender
We talking about jeremy hill?
Because i thought battery was a misdemeanor.
I'm also not aware of LSU ever touting their honor code or pretending to have higher standards for conduct for their student athletes than the rest of the conference.
This post was edited on 8/8/13 at 11:52 am
Posted on 8/8/13 at 11:51 am to CrippleCreek
As yes, I forgot carnal knowledge of a child is a misdemeanor. Which always seemed strange to me.
Posted on 8/8/13 at 11:51 am to Roger Klarvin
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but your starting RB is a two time felony offender.
Assuming you are talking about Hill, that is not accurate FWIW.
Two misdemeanors would be accurate.
This post was edited on 8/8/13 at 11:52 am
Posted on 8/8/13 at 11:51 am to piggidyphish
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Because i thought battery was a misdemeanor.
Its a third degree felony in Texas, not sure about Louisiana.
Posted on 8/8/13 at 11:52 am to Roger Klarvin
Joe Schad isn't a criminal.
Posted on 8/8/13 at 11:54 am to Roger Klarvin
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Its a third degree felony in Texas, not sure about Louisiana.
I doubt that...can you show me?
Posted on 8/8/13 at 11:56 am to piggidyphish
It's not, he's incorrect there as well...simple assault in Texas is a misdemeanor usually.
Only in certain cases (against security guard, police, emergency official, etc) could it be a felony.
Only in certain cases (against security guard, police, emergency official, etc) could it be a felony.
This post was edited on 8/8/13 at 11:59 am
Posted on 8/8/13 at 11:58 am to JPLSU1981
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It's not...simple assault in Texas is a misdemeanor usually. Only in certain cases (against security guard, police, etc) could it be a felony.
I had already looked it up before i posted, i was just hoping he'd post the public servent part and casually ignore the actual law to try to make a point.
Posted on 8/8/13 at 11:59 am to piggidyphish
Dude you don't even want to start on that. You know what he did, there's no changing that. What he pled to is a misdemeanor yes, but if you think ANY one of us or any one else would have been given that option, you're an idiot. He had sex with a 14 yr old girl. You can try to justify it all you want but he did what he did and it carries a very stiff penalty regardless if the 14 yr old was a "slut". La law clearly outlines what happened.
This is what he was charged with. Read carefully.
2006 Louisiana Laws - RS 14:43.3 — Oral sexual battery
§43.3. Oral sexual battery
A. Oral sexual battery is the intentional engaging in any of the following acts with another person, who is not the spouse of the offender when the other person has not yet attained fifteen years of age and is at least three years younger than the offender:
(1) The touching of the anus or genitals of the victim by the offender using the mouth or tongue of the offender; or
(2) The touching of the anus or genitals of the offender by the victim using the mouth or tongue of the victim.
B. Lack of knowledge of the victim's age shall not be a defense.
C.(1) Whoever commits the crime of oral sexual battery shall be punished by imprisonment, with or without hard labor, without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence, for not more than ten years.
Why do you think it carries such a stiff penalty if it wasn't a "big deal"
This is what he was charged with. Read carefully.
2006 Louisiana Laws - RS 14:43.3 — Oral sexual battery
§43.3. Oral sexual battery
A. Oral sexual battery is the intentional engaging in any of the following acts with another person, who is not the spouse of the offender when the other person has not yet attained fifteen years of age and is at least three years younger than the offender:
(1) The touching of the anus or genitals of the victim by the offender using the mouth or tongue of the offender; or
(2) The touching of the anus or genitals of the offender by the victim using the mouth or tongue of the victim.
B. Lack of knowledge of the victim's age shall not be a defense.
C.(1) Whoever commits the crime of oral sexual battery shall be punished by imprisonment, with or without hard labor, without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence, for not more than ten years.
Why do you think it carries such a stiff penalty if it wasn't a "big deal"
Posted on 8/8/13 at 12:00 pm to Bama54
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Johnny's reputation is already damaged, beyond repair IMHO
Think there's definitely truth to that. But if the NCAA recklessly proceeds and suspends him without proper evidence, I can't see how the whole weight doesn't fall on them. And honestly it would be an easy case.
But it's silly to even suggest the NCAA is going to penalize anyone without actual evidence. They've never done so before and this would be a really weird case to start. There will either be evidence of a violation (the tape, even if it's made available, based on what Schad wrote, is not) and he will be suspended. Or they will not suspend him. There's really no in between despite what everyone wants to hope or believe.
And as long as A&M works with the NCAA, they will play Manziel and will not forfeit games if there is no evidence at the time he plays. Texas A&M has done nothing wrong and has no involvement in this other than cooperation. And to date, the NCAA has never given a member institution a clairvoyance test like many are suggesting.
Posted on 8/8/13 at 12:01 pm to piggidyphish
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Texas, like most states, has abolished the distinction between assault and battery. There are 3 basic ways to commit an assault.
§ 22.01. ASSAULT. (a) A person commits an offense if the person:
(1) intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly causes bodily injury to another, including the person's spouse;
(2) intentionally or knowingly threatens another with imminent bodily injury, including the person's spouse; or
(3) intentionally or knowingly causes physical contact with another when the person knows or should reasonably believe that the other will regard the contact as offensive or provocative.
At common law and in many states, an assault could not be committed recklessly as provided for in (a) (1). This offense is normally classified as a felony of the third degree. Third degree felonies are punishable by imprisonment for not more than 10 years nor less than 2 years, and a fine not to exceed $10,000.
Posted on 8/8/13 at 12:02 pm to elit4ce05
The bigger deal IMO was the punch while on probation. Most people that know the story don't have a problem with a high school senior getting a BJ from a high school freshman.
Posted on 8/8/13 at 12:03 pm to PuntBamaPunt
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NSIAP
Dan Wolken @DanWolken
Interesting. NCAA just announced a media conference call with the Board of Directors following their meeting this afternoon.
This post was edited on 8/8/13 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 8/8/13 at 12:03 pm to Roger Klarvin
Can we get a rename of this thread to As The Pimples Burst?
Posted on 8/8/13 at 12:03 pm to Roger Klarvin
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At common law and in many states, an assault could not be committed recklessly as provided for in (a) (1). This offense is normally classified as a felony of the third degree. Third degree felonies are punishable by imprisonment for not more than 10 years nor less than 2 years, and a fine not to exceed $10,000.
wait did you just cite a statute to tell me about common law?
Actually go read your state's penal code.
here is what you meant to post
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Sec. 22.01. ASSAULT. (a) A person commits an offense if the person:(1) intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly causes bodily injury to another, including the person's spouse; (2) intentionally or knowingly threatens another with imminent bodily injury, including the person's spouse; or(3) intentionally or knowingly causes physical contact with another when the person knows or should reasonably believe that the other will regard the contact as offensive or provocative.(b) An offense under Subsection (a)(1) is a Class A misdemeanor, except that the offense is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed against:(1) a person the actor knows is a public servant while the public servant is lawfully discharging an official duty, or in retaliation or on account of an exercise of official power or performance of an official duty as a public servant;
This post was edited on 8/8/13 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 8/8/13 at 12:03 pm to WaveHog
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hammered in what courts?
What he's implying is true.
Booster wins $5 million judgement against NCAA.
This one was later overturned during the appeals process. Don't know if it will be retried.
Ronnie Cottrell won a $30 million judgement against the NCAA. This case was also overturned. It was on track for a re-trial but the NCAA settled out of court for the good old 'undisclosed amount'.
I seem to remember one more, but I can't find it right now.
None of the above is to say that Bama wasn't dirty under DuBose. They were, but the NCAA did indeed get slammed in court for the Means case several times and wrote at least one check.
The point of bringing up the Means case was to show that historically the NCAA will indeed act without complete proof. They did it, to Bama/Means and got sued but those games were still vacated and those scholarships weren't there during the Shula years.
Posted on 8/8/13 at 12:03 pm to JPLSU1981
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Most people that know the story don't have a problem with a high school senior getting a BJ from a high school freshman.
you took a poll on this? I would say that 100% of the people who are not a pervert or have a 14 yr old daughter would say you're full of shite.
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