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re: Arkansas Inferiority?
Posted on 7/29/12 at 9:10 am to WonderWartHawg
Posted on 7/29/12 at 9:10 am to WonderWartHawg
quote:aTm should be competitive in the SEC from day one. It's all the "Power" BS that's entertaining.
aTm could become viable in the SEC, but it will take a few years.
I'm also getting a kick out of the "We out played yall the last two years...." Last time I checked the winner of a Football game was the team that scored the most points. That's ok, if some of the Aggies want to claim moral victory maybe they can have some tee shirts made for this years game.
"Texas A&M, despite the 24-41 all time record we're really much better than Arkansas"
This post was edited on 7/29/12 at 9:28 am
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Posted on 7/29/12 at 9:46 am to Notherdamnhog
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No need to. The poster was throwing recruiting rankings 6 months before Signing Day around. If the Aggs are still #6 and we are #50 on Feb. 7, 2013 I'll be a hell of a lot more concerned than I am right now.
It will be around 10 and 40 for the respective teams, at which time you'll champion the "recruiting is irrelevant" and "A&M has always recruited well but will always suck" theories.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 10:12 am to SoFla Tideroller
You get it!
One thing people forget is that A&M traditionally is a defensive-minded school- we love our Wrecking Crew.
The reason the Wrecking Crew died in the 2000's is not because us Aggies no longer cared about defense, it is because the harder-to-recruit defensive talent all started going north to OU once Stoops won his title.
Heck we still chanted Wrecking Crew at really crappy defenses in the mid-00s. No amount of fan pasion can change the talent on the field though. We could recruit offense because the state of Texas has a LOT of offensive talent to go around, but really only two teams can stock a top defense based on the state's talent and neither of those teams were us for a decade.
With this SEC shift suddenly that D talent is looking at us again. When you look at OU's current commits many of the higher-rated ones are on offense. Why? Because we basically traded places in recruiting.
That means that a SEC-based A&M is a completely different animal, and we will show that not this fall but next February and the February afterwards when we sign top 15 classes.
Arky fans of course would prefer the narrative that we are the good old bag-of-failure A&M that they have played the last three years. With OU's level of talent you can win titles, and Arky hasn't had anything like that since the SWC.
The ironic part is that Arky, as a team that switched conferences, knows that it can change a program forever. Arky of today doesn't recruit anywhere near the old SWC Arky.
I think Arky fans assume that since the SEC move dropped them down a peg that the same will happen to us. Many of our Big 12 rivals agree with them and use Arky's drop off the map the last 20 years as an example of what will happen to us.
All of this ignores a key point- Arky is not in the state of Texas, A&M is. Already we are proving that SEC + Texas = better recruiting than we could manage as a Big 12 team.
But I understand if Arky fans want to see the actual results (aka wins in games, signatures in February, and the official announcement of the loss of the LSU game T-day weekend) before they face the truth. If I was in their situation I would want to deny the trends as long as possible as well.
One thing people forget is that A&M traditionally is a defensive-minded school- we love our Wrecking Crew.
The reason the Wrecking Crew died in the 2000's is not because us Aggies no longer cared about defense, it is because the harder-to-recruit defensive talent all started going north to OU once Stoops won his title.
Heck we still chanted Wrecking Crew at really crappy defenses in the mid-00s. No amount of fan pasion can change the talent on the field though. We could recruit offense because the state of Texas has a LOT of offensive talent to go around, but really only two teams can stock a top defense based on the state's talent and neither of those teams were us for a decade.
With this SEC shift suddenly that D talent is looking at us again. When you look at OU's current commits many of the higher-rated ones are on offense. Why? Because we basically traded places in recruiting.
That means that a SEC-based A&M is a completely different animal, and we will show that not this fall but next February and the February afterwards when we sign top 15 classes.
Arky fans of course would prefer the narrative that we are the good old bag-of-failure A&M that they have played the last three years. With OU's level of talent you can win titles, and Arky hasn't had anything like that since the SWC.
The ironic part is that Arky, as a team that switched conferences, knows that it can change a program forever. Arky of today doesn't recruit anywhere near the old SWC Arky.
I think Arky fans assume that since the SEC move dropped them down a peg that the same will happen to us. Many of our Big 12 rivals agree with them and use Arky's drop off the map the last 20 years as an example of what will happen to us.
All of this ignores a key point- Arky is not in the state of Texas, A&M is. Already we are proving that SEC + Texas = better recruiting than we could manage as a Big 12 team.
But I understand if Arky fans want to see the actual results (aka wins in games, signatures in February, and the official announcement of the loss of the LSU game T-day weekend) before they face the truth. If I was in their situation I would want to deny the trends as long as possible as well.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 10:14 am to cardboardboxer
TL;DR
41-24-3
41-24-3
Posted on 7/29/12 at 10:22 am to wmr
Arkie Skeert.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 10:27 am to wmr
I know I did that on purpose. Words are like Arky kryptonite. I wanted to get a message out to fellow SECrs without the usual flings of poo one can expect when you logically attack Arky's position.
I am glad y'all have that all-time record and the last three years. That will give you something to cling to when Sumlin stomps your arse in two years with talent that Arky can never have.
I am glad y'all have that all-time record and the last three years. That will give you something to cling to when Sumlin stomps your arse in two years with talent that Arky can never have.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 10:32 am to cardboardboxer
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Sumlin stomps your arse
In 4 or so years Kevin Sumlin will be just another excuse for Aggie fans to explain why they haven't reached their potential.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 10:42 am to DWag215
quote:And we'll continue to kick your arse at which time you'll champion the "if we can ever just get the right coach" and "we outplayed you for most of the game" theories.
It will be around 10 and 40 for the respective teams, at which time you'll champion the "recruiting is irrelevant" and "A&M has always recruited well but will always suck" theories.
See I can play this stupid fricking game too. Bottom line is none of us know for certain what will happen over the long or short term. Let's just wait and see what happens before we sound Taps for the Arkansas Program or annoint A&M as the Future Power of the SEC.
This post was edited on 7/29/12 at 10:46 am
Posted on 7/29/12 at 10:45 am to Arkansasrazorback
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In 4 or so years Kevin Sumlin will be just another excuse for Aggie fans to explain why they haven't reached their potential.
Is your projection based on the suckitude of Fran and Sherman?
Posted on 7/29/12 at 10:45 am to Arkansasrazorback
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In 4 or so years Kevin Sumlin will be just another excuse for Aggie fans to explain why they haven't reached their potential.
They can't run from their Derp.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 10:46 am to Notherdamnhog
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See I can play this stupid fricking game too. Bottom line is none of of know for certain what will happen over the long or short term. My point was let's just wait and see what happens before we sound Taps for the Arkansas Program or annoint A&M as the Future Power of the SEC.
This is our place of common ground.
Please tell your hounds that this is the correct approach.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 10:49 am to cardboardboxer
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cardboardboxer
It really is fun reading your posts, because you're so fricking delusional that I sit here
'ing while I read them. It hasn't even been 1 year, and you're already claiming that you've out-recruited OU. In July. Sure, it might have something to do with the SEC move, or getting a black coach, but do you really think the best recruits in Texas will be that interested in A&M after this season? I honestly feel sorry for your players this year, you're stepping into a much harder division than the Big XII South and your perceived recruiting championship won't be much of a factor this year with a bunch of true freshmen.
Plus Sumlin is completely unproven and you don't even have a quarterback. Your best player is a white receiver.
I'm not saying A&M won't be mildly successful in the SEC, but it takes more than a couple top 15 classes to be competitive. You guys are acting like this single top 10 class will put you in the conversation with LSU and Bama.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 10:56 am to cardboardboxer
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when you logically attack Arky's position.
This is why I like you, you bring nothing but conjecture and opinion, and claim it's logic. You assume A&M's recruiting will be light years better than it was in the Big XII just because you're in the SEC now. Assumptions are not logic.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 10:57 am to DWag215
No. It's based on the suckitude of Aggie and their tendency to blame all of their failures on coaching. Sumlin will ultimately fail to turn you into the powerhouse you dream of being, you'll fire him, and then move on to telling us all how the next coach will get it done.
I wish I could go back and read some posts from when he was hired. I'm certain you guys were beating your chest and talking about what an amazing hire it was. Now it's "We had to suffer through 4 years of Shermanzz!!!!"
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Sherman
I wish I could go back and read some posts from when he was hired. I'm certain you guys were beating your chest and talking about what an amazing hire it was. Now it's "We had to suffer through 4 years of Shermanzz!!!!"
Posted on 7/29/12 at 10:59 am to Stonehog
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I'm not saying A&M won't be mildly successful in the SEC, but it takes more than a couple top 15 classes to be competitive. You guys are acting like this single top 10 class will put you in the conversation with LSU and Bama.
No we're not.
We're just expecting stacked top 15 classes to produce at a proportionate level.
That rests on the assumption that Sumlin is a good coach -- which is not unreasonable.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 11:01 am to Arkansasrazorback
The fact that Aggies think Arkansas "fears" their program when we play in the SEC West is crazy.
I mean, its downright Aggie. The Aggie game the past three years was about 5th or 6th on our schedule as far as games to be concerned about.
Like I posted before, most feel like more SEC exposure in Texas markets only helps our program and school.
I mean, its downright Aggie. The Aggie game the past three years was about 5th or 6th on our schedule as far as games to be concerned about.
Like I posted before, most feel like more SEC exposure in Texas markets only helps our program and school.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 11:05 am to wmr
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Like I posted before, most feel like more SEC exposure in Texas markets only helps our program and school.
And are you realizing any of these ancillary benefits yet?
I ask because I know the Jerryworld game has done nothing for you recruiting wise.
Will our affiliation in the SEC -- accompanied by your visiting Kyle every two years -- give you more of a presence than playing in Jerryworld every year?
This post was edited on 7/29/12 at 11:11 am
Posted on 7/29/12 at 11:08 am to wmr
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more SEC exposure in Texas markets only helps our program and school.
Exactly, instead of kids hearing about A&M losing to Texas and Mizzou, they'll hear about Aggie losing to Ole Miss and shite. This will help recruiting in Mississippi, fact.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 11:13 am to Arkansasrazorback
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No. It's based on the suckitude of Aggie and their tendency to blame all of their failures on coaching. Sumlin will ultimately fail to turn you into the powerhouse you dream of being, you'll fire him, and then move on to telling us all how the next coach will get it done.
What do you believe to be the necessary elements of a winning football program?
I believe there are two: talent and coaching.
Because of our location and the inherent advantages we've enjoyed over the last 25-30 years, acquiring talent will never be difficult. One need only look at the talent we've brought in over the last ten years despite our futility.
So we've got the talent, and if that's the case, the on field mediocrity can be attributed to a deficiency in the other necessary element -- coaching.
That is the very succinct explanation of why we think the way we do. It's precisely because it's not difficult to win at A&M that we believe the "next coach" is the right one. It's not a difficult job. You'll always have kids.
After all, Mike Sherman simply needed to not suck and he would have won 11 games last year.
Nobody blows halftime leads of 17,18, 10 (6 mins left in the 4th), and 13 all in one season unless he sucks.
This post was edited on 7/29/12 at 11:21 am
Posted on 7/29/12 at 11:25 am to DWag215
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I ask because I know the Jerryworld game has done nothing for you.
The exception is it gave us three easy victories (we only had to play the 2nd half last year) with two being over then Heisman shoe-in Jerrod Johnson. Also I think we made a fair amount of money unlike the other team which has now thrown a fit in order to move the game to the great, intimidating Kyle Field. We shouldn't be scared to play there either as a cursory glance t the record will indicate a good amount of success, especially since it is the "toughest" place to play in the universe.
Get a grip people. The Aggies has almost always out recruited Arkansas, and look how great they have been. They should be better, we all agree, but they never have been. So now, to assume that moving to the toughest division in the toughest conference with a coach that was 2 years ago 5-7 in the cUSA will somehow translate into A&M becoming Bama and Arkansas becoming current OM is just plain fricking retarded.
Now, to take it further, why didn't Houston have a good season in 2012? The QB was hurt. Guess who has some ambiguity at the QB spot this year.
And don't even tell me Sherman wasn't considered the greatest thing since sliced bread. I live amongst this delusion. Before the 2010 season I was at a party for work. Two delusional colleagues (great guys btw, no kidding) were telling me how first of all, Sherman was infinitely better than Petrino, I mean just compare their NFL records. Then, they were telling me Jerrod Johnson would win the Hesiman and how nobody had even heard of Mallett who they themselves were not impressed with. This is all despite the fact that Arkansas had won 47-19 the previous year with Petrino and Mallett against Hesiman JJ and sleepy Sherm. You tell me who is delusional.
This post was edited on 7/29/12 at 11:26 am
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