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Posted on 1/21/09 at 7:57 pm to HawgAlude
Posted on 1/21/09 at 7:57 pm to HawgAlude
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You may not like how things went down in Atlanta
That wasn't my point. My point was he shouldn't be mouthing off about his assisstant doing what is best for his family by leaving Arkansas without fulfilling their contract when he did the same thing at Atlanta and Louisville.
This post was edited on 1/21/09 at 7:59 pm
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Posted on 1/21/09 at 7:59 pm to Barry Badrinath
When did he bad mouth them?
From What I understood it was all business.
From What I understood it was all business.
Posted on 1/21/09 at 8:03 pm to pioneerbasketball
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1)We wasn't in the SEC
Bingo. The SWC was pretty weak. Since joining the SEC Arkansas has 7 losing seasons.
Posted on 1/21/09 at 8:06 pm to pioneerbasketball
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When did he bad mouth them?
I didn't say bad mouth. I said mouthing off about the issue of we need to start getting the clauses put in the contracts so coaches will quit going to other schools without fulfilling their contractual obligations. Did he follow his own advice before leaving Atlanta and Louisville? No.
He didn't talk bad about his assisstant. it is a business. But PETRINO should not be the one saying shite like that when he didn't even live up to that type of billing.
I'm not making this stuff up. The radio guys obviously got wind of it. They have media guests on their show weekly that cover their respective schools.
This post was edited on 1/21/09 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 1/21/09 at 8:11 pm to thunderbird1100
speaking of that topic when was the last time an undefeated team went through the SEC? Auburn did it in 2003 which was an off year for SEC football. The whole conference as a whole is just a lot tougher. The schools which represent the SEC for the most part are those states flagship universities which means things are lot tougher. If you actually went to LSU or any other SEC school then you would know how competitive and tough it really is. The companies that come to recruit from SEC schools are pooling all the candidates together for the most part they hit all the major SEC schools from Bama to Arky to Florida. The SEC is not just a football conference.
Posted on 1/21/09 at 8:13 pm to HawgAlude
2004*
Posted on 1/21/09 at 8:47 pm to southarktiger
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I was wondering how others felt about the Razorback football program.
i think BP's a good fit for the program, and i like what i've seen so far from the new AD. they've got solid football facilities (btw, overall i think they may have the best facilities in the SEC). they have a very strong fan base that is, imo, loyal and just plain hungry for on-the-field success.
they do have to recruit nationally more than some. but, i've seen a drastic increase in the overall level of HS football play over the last 6 or 7 yrs. i think the HS governing body (AAA) is totally whacked, but that's a different story.
i think their AD Long has the program going in the right direction.
Posted on 1/21/09 at 8:55 pm to Smoke Green
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i think the HS governing body (AAA)
Private schools got screwed but thats what they get for recruiting.
Posted on 1/21/09 at 10:05 pm to pioneerbasketball
in my opinion arkansas has always had great fan support , this past decade we have worked to get some of the best facilities in the country , what we have always lacked for a generation now to complete the trifecta is a great coach, thats why the excitment that has been generated since petrino has arrived, i know there is a different dynamic but what was lsu before saban arrived... hopefully arkansas has take a 1st step in the right direction with petrino
Posted on 1/22/09 at 9:34 am to DaphneTigah
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Arkansas should be content with competing for a bowl game each year. That's where they are. They are sitting back there with Moo State and watching LSU,BAMA,AU & now Ole miss compete for a trip to ATL. The bigger question is.. what is Patrino's future if they continue to just be mediocre.
If you think Ole Sis will be there consistantly you are a fool
Posted on 1/22/09 at 3:01 pm to thunderbird1100
yeah, and LSU has had 5 losing seasons since we joined in '92.
The other thing I was trying to point out is the series between them has "tightened" since AR joined the SEC. The total series LSU has a 62.9% winning percentage, however, since AR joined the SEC it has dropped to 58.8% in the last 17 meetings. It's been more competitive.
This topic started discussing thoughts on AR football, I was simply pointing out that the hogs have competed very well with their primary competition( AL,AU,LSU) within the Division.
ESPN just had them ranked #19 in the "most pretigious" college football programs all-time.
The other thing I was trying to point out is the series between them has "tightened" since AR joined the SEC. The total series LSU has a 62.9% winning percentage, however, since AR joined the SEC it has dropped to 58.8% in the last 17 meetings. It's been more competitive.
This topic started discussing thoughts on AR football, I was simply pointing out that the hogs have competed very well with their primary competition( AL,AU,LSU) within the Division.
ESPN just had them ranked #19 in the "most pretigious" college football programs all-time.
Posted on 1/22/09 at 3:14 pm to skullhawk
Skull, I see some nice " penalty, TD called back,etc." excuses from you on page 2 when addressing LSU losses each season from '98 forward.. you have alot of room to talk about me sounding like an Auburn fan...you're a trip dude..whatever makes you feel better though.
Posted on 1/22/09 at 5:12 pm to razors
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yeah, and LSU has had 5 losing seasons since we joined in '92.
Yes, all in the 90s, probably our worst decade ever. Since the 90s we've accomplished a whole lot, stuff we've done before in the SEC.
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The other thing I was trying to point out is the series between them has "tightened" since AR joined the SEC. The total series LSU has a 62.9% winning percentage, however, since AR joined the SEC it has dropped to 58.8% in the last 17 meetings. It's been more competitive.
Just saying but it can change pretty quickly. Prior to you joining the SEC (without ties) it was 23-12 (65.7%) in favor of LSU and since you've been here it's been 10-7 (58.8%) in favor os LSU...but 2 years ago it was 10-5 (66.7%) in favor of LSU after we went on our 2nd 4-game win streak over Arkansas since they joined the SEC. We could go another 4-game win streak starting next year and increase the 10-7 margin to 14-7 (66.7%). It's really not much of a point this early on is what I'm saying. The difference is minimal at best.
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This topic started discussing thoughts on AR football, I was simply pointing out that the hogs have competed very well with their primary competition( AL,AU,LSU) within the Division.
While you've competed decently with them you have not competed well with them in the sense of winning big things like championships and bowl games (specifically big). That's what separates them from Ark so much.
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ESPN just had them ranked #19 in the "most pretigious" college football programs all-time.
Which I have a problem with. CFBdatawarehouse has Arkansas at #26 all-time (really about #23 with the ivy schools taken out) which is more plausible because unlike ESPN, CFBdatawarehouse took into account a very important thing in SOS which playing so many years in the SWC hurt Arkansas but in ESPN's ranking it helped Arkansas since they simply counted conference championships which Arkansas won a decent deal of in the SWC but has not been able to win in the SEC. Plus, not so much with Arkansas, but the ESPN list had some dumb categories like weeks spent at no. 1 in AP poll, Heismans and what not.
Posted on 1/22/09 at 9:14 pm to thunderbird1100
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thunderbird1100
Are you a lawyer?
Posted on 1/22/09 at 9:25 pm to thunderbird1100
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stuff we've done before in the SEC.
but not on the level you're doing it now that's for sure.
Posted on 1/22/09 at 10:20 pm to Cdawg
and who the hell has ever heard of CFBdatawharehouse?
This is the ESPN rankings and follow up
like this speaks for itself....
19. Arkansas Razorbacks
Total points: 604
Positives: Arkansas would be college football's 10th-best program if you combined just the '50s and '60s. The Razorbacks appeared in eight major bowl games in those two decades, one more than they have in the 53 other years in the AP poll era combined.
Negatives: Since joining the SEC in 1992, Arkansas has not won an outright conference title. In 2006, it shared an SEC-best mark of 7-1 with Florida but missed out on a lucrative BCS berth after a 38-28 loss to the Gators in the SEC title game.
Through the decades: Through 1958: 47th | 1968: 18th | 1978: 14th | 1988: 14th | 1998: 18th
Did you know? Between 1968 and 1989, Arkansas didn't suffer a single losing season. That non-losing-season streak is longer than any in the history of SEC rival LSU.
This is the ESPN rankings and follow up
like this speaks for itself....
19. Arkansas Razorbacks
Total points: 604
Positives: Arkansas would be college football's 10th-best program if you combined just the '50s and '60s. The Razorbacks appeared in eight major bowl games in those two decades, one more than they have in the 53 other years in the AP poll era combined.
Negatives: Since joining the SEC in 1992, Arkansas has not won an outright conference title. In 2006, it shared an SEC-best mark of 7-1 with Florida but missed out on a lucrative BCS berth after a 38-28 loss to the Gators in the SEC title game.
Through the decades: Through 1958: 47th | 1968: 18th | 1978: 14th | 1988: 14th | 1998: 18th
Did you know? Between 1968 and 1989, Arkansas didn't suffer a single losing season. That non-losing-season streak is longer than any in the history of SEC rival LSU.
This post was edited on 1/22/09 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 1/22/09 at 10:32 pm to Cdawg
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but not on the level you're doing it now that's for sure.
If by level you mean consistency then yes...but we've been to and won plenty big bowl games, SEC Championships and even have a NC before the 1990s.
Posted on 1/22/09 at 10:35 pm to HawgAlude
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and who the hell has ever heard of CFBdatawharehouse?
You seriously have never heard of it? It gets referenced a good deal on here and on the other sites I post on. It's easily the best CFB reference website out there. Been around I think almost all of this decade. They have theeir own formula for all-time rankings. Much more simple and to the point (win pct, schedule points, natl title points, big 4 bowl points).
The ESPN "prestige" one is pretty dumb IMHO. Has some useless categories yet ignores 1 huge thing in SOS.
This post was edited on 1/22/09 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 1/23/09 at 5:14 am to thunderbird1100
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thunderbird1100
Hate to agree with him but everything he has said is valid.
Posted on 1/23/09 at 5:44 am to HawgAlude
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HawgAlude
No offense Hawg but I have lived here since '83 and have sat back and watched and listened to the hogmania pounded into our heads since day one. The fans are passionate about their football team, only not passionate enough. The foremost topic every season is "we want to make a bowl". That's fine and dandy but when are you people going to get really pissed about not making the name bowls. Mediocrity seems to satisfy most folks up here just as long as they "go bowling".
The difference I see in the hog program and the LSU program is that the Tiger faithful get really pissed when their team fails to perform as expected. 8-5 is not a good season at LSU whereas at UA people get plum giddy about 8-5.
I'm guess I'm just trying to say is that hog fans should set the bar somewhat higher and if it not attained then raise some hell about it. Of course with the media up here drooling on every positive aspect of Hogism and overlooking any negative aspect, it is a little hard to get this accomplished.
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