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re: Are we witnessing the end of college football as we know it?
Posted on 10/21/25 at 2:06 pm to 3down10
Posted on 10/21/25 at 2:06 pm to 3down10
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Before Franklin was hired by Penn St, he was lifting Vandy up. And then after he left, Vandy went back to...being Vandy.
Well at least in the case of Vandy, they didn’t go decades with irrelevance like before. Old Vandy would have been dormant for 40 years if a good coach left
Posted on 10/21/25 at 2:07 pm to 3down10
If you believe players in the past who were bought by bagmen were somehow into the school and culture you are nuts. Players have been suing the system for decades t9 make money and get to the NFL. Nothing has changed except players can now transfer without sitting out a year. That’s about it.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 2:14 pm to VYForever
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If they were to disappear it's because college football ceases to exist at all.
Now you’re starting to understand.
That’s exactly where we’re headed.
Edited to add: if you knew much about the history of the sport, you’d know government intervention is the reason it wasn’t banned completely over 100 years ago. The notion that intervention is always bad is quite stupid.
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 10/21/25 at 2:25 pm to RunningJacket
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If you believe players in the past who were bought by bagmen were somehow into the school and culture you are nuts. Players have been suing the system for decades t9 make money and get to the NFL. Nothing has changed except players can now transfer without sitting out a year. That’s about it.
Except that didn't happen near as much as losers like you who need to cope want to believe. You never have evidence to support your claims, but you're damn sure it happens because obviously if things were fair, everyone would want to go to your school because they are the bestest ever!
Tell me, why does Kirby give a frick about coaching at Georgia if he didn't have passion and loyalty for Georgia?
Why do you constantly see former players on the sidelines, cheering for their schools if they didn't have a passion and loyalty to the team?
I know old Alabama football players who are just as passionate of a fan as I am.
And only 1% of college football players make it to the NFL. Even on stacked teams like Alabama it was still less than 40% - in the best years. Usually much lower.
Hell, probably only about 1% of college players are actually getting paid a decent amount of money with NIL, but I don't really know the actual number. It's all to the benefit of a few however.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 2:32 pm to Nasty_Canasta
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Well at least in the case of Vandy, they didn’t go decades with irrelevance like before. Old Vandy would have been dormant for 40 years if a good coach left
Yeah, you just gotta get lucky with a coach. Lea wasn't even a HC before he was hired by Vandy.
If you are a fan of a program you mostly just have to hope it's a spark that can lead to more things. Because that's how a program rising up starts.
But usually they can't maintain it, the coaches get hired away, etc. Can Vandy keep their HC if people start calling for him? Will that staff still be there in a few years?
Indiana showed a willingness to spend. I don't think Lea is a hot commodity right, but if that day comes - what's going to happen?
Can Ole Miss keep Kiffin? We can debate if he's worth it and what not all day, but is someone going to pay more and take him? We'll see.
And then you have the opposite with LSU overpaying BK. You gonna get stuck with the wrong guy? Are you going to spend to get out of the mistakes?
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:11 pm to 3down10
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Tell me, why does Kirby give a frick about coaching at Georgia if he didn't have passion and loyalty for Georgia?
Because it’s as good of a job as any out there and was available when he was accomplished enough for the opportunity. If Kirby’s alma mater were some second tier job, he wouldn’t have gone.
Lots of former players have even coached at the rival of their alma mater. Pat Dye played at UGA and he coached at Bama and Auburn. Plenty of assistants from both Auburn and Alabama have played for one and coached for the other.
The alma mater thing is way overblown on this site. Coaches don’t think like fans. They think like professionals. They want money, success, and job security.
Ambitious professionals typically don’t make decisions for sentimental reasons.
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Why do you constantly see former players on the sidelines, cheering for their schools if they didn't have a passion and loyalty to the team?
I am sure it still suits the ego and self-interests of many to be seen around the program.
A lot of athletes don’t genuinely want to be overshadowed by the next crop of players. Too much ego. If you’re a departing QB who couldn’t get over the hump and some hotshot transfer comes in the next season and sets the world on fire and makes everyone say how much they wish he had been the QB sooner instead of your sorry arse, yeah, that’s every former athlete’s dream.
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:23 pm to crimsoncoded94
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College football is still alive and well in Tuscaloosa.
Agreed! RTR baby!
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:36 pm to daydreamin
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I mean why do you really care? Why do you personally feel if a kid wants to transfer to get more playing time while also getting PAID is a bad thing?
What if pros could just leave each year to go to your rival and weren't bound by contracts? There should be more continuity in rosters. It creates a better product on the field and it's better for the game from a fans perspective. You like having a team full of mercenaries every year you don't even recognize game 1?
As a fan who used to love following recruiting and young player development after they get on campus all the way to them being huge contributors as upperclassmen, the new world sucks.
I didn't say they can't transfer, but you can't transfer and play right away. It isn't just bench players, star players are doing it too. And they're going to rivals/competition. LSU has been the beneficiary of this greatly, and I still hate it.
Coach leaves or you graduate and have eligibility left (or coming from JUCO or across levels like D2/D3). Those are the only ways I think you should be able to transfer and play immediately.
Honestly, conferences like the SEC should make stiffer rules if the NCAA won't. These kids want to be treated like pros, treat them like pros. Pros sign contracts.
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:38 pm to AG87
yes end of cfb but end of this world as we know it as well..jim morrison
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:11 pm to CatfishJohn
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It creates a better product on the field and it's better for the game from a fans perspective.
College football isn’t for the benefit of fans. It’s for the benefit of students.
No one gives a frick if John Doe transfers directly from School A to School B because he thinks it will help his future engineering employment. But if John Doe is a QB who wants to transfer from School A to School B because it will give him a better supporting cast and coaching staff and might lead to him being drafted higher, well, we can’t have that shite. Fan entertainment and the illusion of loyalty are more important.
People on here are always bitching about player loyalty, but the fans don’t give a frick about the players. They like you if you’re wearing their favorite uniform and you’re good. Highly conditional.
College players better do what’s best for themselves because the fans aren’t going to chip in on the mortgage in ten years.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:28 pm to JustGetItRight
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Unless Congress intervenes
Sounds like Socialism.
I thought you numbnuts were against government overreach.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:56 pm to AG87
That happened as soon as the money came into play. Now you loose players that have no ties to the college experience except a paycheck. Collège football is over.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:56 pm to Globetrotter747
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College football isn’t for the benefit of fans.
It’s about both.
Fans are what drive revenues, scholarships, training, facilities, NIL, etc.
Viewership is the source of the money. Players are a direct beneficiary of that money. It goes both ways.
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 10/21/25 at 5:25 pm to RaleighTiger
Someone doesn’t know what socialism means. Not surprising.
Every single market is regulated. Every one. Well, every one except college football.
The end result of that unregulated market will be the death of all but a handful of programs and when you’re left with only a handful of programs, there won’t be enough public interest to sustain those programs in the whole product will die.
It’s really not that hard to understand.
Every single market is regulated. Every one. Well, every one except college football.
The end result of that unregulated market will be the death of all but a handful of programs and when you’re left with only a handful of programs, there won’t be enough public interest to sustain those programs in the whole product will die.
It’s really not that hard to understand.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 6:10 pm to CatfishJohn
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Fans are what drive revenues, scholarships, training, facilities, NIL, etc.
Even rural high schools have football teams. You don’t need all that shite. You can strip it down to the bare bones. Take away scholarships, TV, multimillionaire coaches. Make it the true extracurricular activity that it’s supposed to be for people who actually belong in college.
The NFL will find a way to get the freaks in the league.
The sport is for the students - one way or another.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 6:38 pm to 3down10
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That's not how it happens. People don't often just overnight stop watching and having an interest in things.
It's a slow decline.
Definitely in decline. Check the ratings from ESPN compared to last year.
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