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re: Anyone else think the Playoff will be disastrous?
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:10 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:10 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
You have to look at how they won/lost as well if you're going down this road. I heard somewhere MSU doesn't even want to recognize that game as a loss.
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Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:12 am to TigerCruise
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You have to look at how they won/lost as well if you're going down this road. I heard somewhere MSU doesn't even want to recognize that game as a loss.
Some people make the exact same argument when regarding the Iron Bowl.
That it was close in the Notre Dame game is inexcusable, Notre Dame is not a good team.
Auburn however...
Posted on 12/9/13 at 8:29 am to TigerCruise
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Why this system is terrible, you're comparing two teams that have played two completely different opponents and are somehow unbiased and 100% objectively are going to make a judgement about which is better?
Losing to Notre Dame vs. Losing to Auburn. Think about it.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 9:03 am to Chicken
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Next iteration of playoffs will include the five champions of the power conferences plus 3 at-larges. 8 teams.
The current iteration has a 12-year contract.
12 years is a long wait for this "improvement".
Posted on 12/9/13 at 9:07 am to Greg09Ag
I think for one/two and any controversy you would have at 3/4 will clear it up. I think the top 3/4 teams are usually pretty obvious.
The only issue will be the politicking you will have for that 4 spot.
Another issue that will complicate things is the conference championship games and the SEC is not getting rid of it anytime soon and will probably add 9 sec games as well. Perfect example was this year - what if Mizzou had beaten Auburn than you would have probably had Mizzou and Bama in over Auburn. Why should Auburn be penalized for having to play that extra game while Bama is sitting on the couch.
The only issue will be the politicking you will have for that 4 spot.
Another issue that will complicate things is the conference championship games and the SEC is not getting rid of it anytime soon and will probably add 9 sec games as well. Perfect example was this year - what if Mizzou had beaten Auburn than you would have probably had Mizzou and Bama in over Auburn. Why should Auburn be penalized for having to play that extra game while Bama is sitting on the couch.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 9:12 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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the top four based on a reasonable algorithm should play in the Playoff.
There is none.
When the BCS was ginning up, people were excited to have objective computer polls be included in the decision matrix. Then they started using them and people went apeshit ridiculing 'dumb' computers because they didn't like the results. This will happen with any algorithm you try to use.
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''well they didn't win their championship'' is absurd and frankly, a bit stupid. MSU is not better than Alabama, nor is Baylor
It doesn't matter that Alabama MAY BE better than MSU or Baylor, they were not better than Auburn (if on-the-field results can have any meaning anymore). Auburn would be the one taking Alabama's spot, not MSU or Baylor.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 9:15 am to nicholastiger
The BCS was created to improve the human error and pit the two most deserving teams in a one game playoff. Hasn't it for the most part gotten it right? I want and everyone wants a playoff but aren't we regressing a bit with a committee deciding the teams? Until we get an 8 team playoff with a BCS like formula it will continue to be unperfect. I guess we have to take baby decade steps to see improvements!
Posted on 12/9/13 at 10:33 am to eyeofthetiger3
Having conference champions as a criteria just furthers the celebration and recognition of mediocrity. All this bitching and the BCS has gotten it right 90% of the time.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 4:34 pm to crawdaddy52
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Having conference champions as a criteria just furthers the celebration and recognition of mediocrity. All this bitching and the BCS has gotten it right 90% of the time.
I was pretty much thinking the same thing. There are a few instances where it was wrong but generally speaking: The BCS has been pretty accurate.
With conference champions it's just...If two teams win their conference with an 8 - 5 or 9 - 4 record, how on Earth could you ever say that team deserves a shot before an 11 - 1 Alabama? The ''win your conference or bust'' argument seems to come exclusively from teams like LSU who lost pretty handily, and Auburn who certainly didn't want a Bama rematch.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 4:37 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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It doesn't matter that Alabama MAY BE better than MSU or Baylor,
I'm sorry but there's no MAYBE. Alabama -is- better than MSU and Baylor. MSU would not go 11 - 1 in the SEC, they would not beat Ole Miss, Texas A&M and LSU altogether.
Duke went 10 - 2, are you saying an 11 - 2 Duke from the ACC is an automatic shoe-in just because they played from a weaker conference?
Or are you saying the Big X is about the exact same strength as the SEC? The ACC? There are plenty of deductions we can make from the information at hand and to pretend that the Big X is anywhere NEAR comparable to the SEC is just not worth arguing.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 4:40 pm to LSU316
Next iteration of playoffs will include the five champions of the power conferences plus 3 at-larges. 8 teams. Only question is whether bowls will be a part of the games and to what extent. Expect some of the games to be at home stadium of the higher seeds. Can't wait.
When we get here I will be happy. This four team crap is just that a crappy temporary gap measure
When we get here I will be happy. This four team crap is just that a crappy temporary gap measure
Posted on 12/9/13 at 4:48 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I'm sorry but there's no MAYBE. Alabama -is- better than MSU and Baylor.
Here's the problem, playoff proponents SAY they want things determined on the field, but then go off on making assumptions, often based on name recognition.
I think the top 4 SEC teams are better than everyone else every year. Therefore every year the playoff will consist of the top 4 SEC teams. Now THERE'S a brilliant way to run a COLLEGE, AMATEUR game.
Sometimes I wish they would just strip away all athletic scholarships and build an NFL farm league somewhere and leave college football alone. But I'm afraid the criers are going to get what they want - and then once they get it, will cry even louder.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 4:51 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Are we still talking about worst losses? Cause no team that lobby's for a spot because of a loss deserves it. I'm more interested in wins.. and everyone except homers should feel the same.
"We beat X, Y, and Z.. That's three ranked teams!"
"We'll we only beat Team A but got beat by a really good team and it was a close game so we basically won anyways"
"We beat X, Y, and Z.. That's three ranked teams!"
"We'll we only beat Team A but got beat by a really good team and it was a close game so we basically won anyways"
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:01 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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worse than the BCS for the first few seasons
No. Had Ohio State beaten Michigan State, then auburn would not have gotten to play for it all in the BCS but would have in a playoff system.
Some people are making it seem like the selection committee will go out and pick teams that would have been no. 8, 12, 13, and 16 in the BCS. That is not going to happen. After 2003 the BCS allowed for the top two teams in the polls to play. This will allow for the top two teams to play as well, and also include two more deserving teams who have a claim to be amongst the best. While there will be a controversy about who those additional teams should be, at least two more teams have a shot instead of no teams at all, like it has been in the BCS.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:03 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
What they should have done is use the BCS to determine the top 4 teams.
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Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:03 pm to crawdaddy52
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Having conference champions as a criteria just furthers the celebration and recognition of mediocrity
No. Giving runners up multiple chances celebrates mediocrity
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:05 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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When the BCS was ginning up, people were excited to have objective computer polls be included in the decision matrix. Then they started using them and people went ape shite ridiculing 'dumb' computers because they didn't like the results. This will happen with any algorithm you try to use.
I agree
The most you can hope for is something that approaches giving deserving teams a fair chance. Barring a highly unequal schedule teams have a fair opportunity to win their conference and make a playoff with a four conference champion playoff.
Win your conference, win two games in the playoff, win a national championship
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:13 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I think very quickly it will progress to more teams.
The pressure to take conference champions from each of the "big 5" conferences will be too much, especially when say a 2 loss SEC team wins the conference.
The pressure to take conference champions from each of the "big 5" conferences will be too much, especially when say a 2 loss SEC team wins the conference.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:13 pm to molsusports
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No. Giving runners up multiple chances celebrates mediocrity
This is insanity. We want the best teams to be 1, 2, 3, 4. Why in the frick do you have a system where the top FOUR are not chosen?
The NFL has wild cards but they have a massive playoff system, we have -four- teams.
Alabama is ranked 3rd in -every- poll. I have serious doubts that an LSU fan will like this line of thinking because Bama came in and laid the smack down on you in the NCG but come on, are we seriously going to take number 4 and 5 (potentially six, because Baylor has a better record than Stanford) over -3rd-?
This thread alone shows that the playoff will be a debacle.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 5:14 pm to molsusports
What I do like is this:
SEC Team A has big game against SEC Team B the third week of September. Team A is really good but they have an off day and lose.
Under the current system SEC Team A fans sob uncontrollably, realize the ACC or Big Ten has a team that will go undefeated and they'll never get to go. Deer hunting season starts that next day because the national championship is only for undefeated teams.
Under the new system SEC Team A knows that they just need to get back on their feet ASAP because a national championship is completely in reach still if you win the SEC.
Ymmv
SEC Team A has big game against SEC Team B the third week of September. Team A is really good but they have an off day and lose.
Under the current system SEC Team A fans sob uncontrollably, realize the ACC or Big Ten has a team that will go undefeated and they'll never get to go. Deer hunting season starts that next day because the national championship is only for undefeated teams.
Under the new system SEC Team A knows that they just need to get back on their feet ASAP because a national championship is completely in reach still if you win the SEC.
Ymmv
This post was edited on 12/9/13 at 5:21 pm
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