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Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:45 pm to djsdawg
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5.9 isn't evidence of "being thrown on". That's a low ypa
It is when the team that does it average 5.5. Seriously, do you not understand what context actually is?
I'm really beginning to think you don't.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:45 pm to jcolding41
Maybe if I hadn't seen a Baylor team w/no QB run all over their defense I'd buy into them a bit more....
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:57 pm to RB10
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when the team that does it average 5.5. Seriously, do you not understand what context actually is?
A 5.7 ypa guy had a game at 5.9 ypa. Do the math on that small difference. How is that evidence of a good passing attack? Barely better than his average crap ypa still isn't good.
Nice of you to ignore the other 3 components of the passer rating. That alone proves how stupid your point is.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:59 pm to ChexMix
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opinion does not equal fact.
Not to this guy
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:00 pm to ChexMix
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opinion does not equal fact.
It's not an opinion. Simply getting a few more cpg is not evidence of better. Go look at ypc. Guys that average under 5 ypc aren't better than Michel.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:02 pm to djsdawg
Here's a tip to help you not look like a fricking moron next time:
Don't try to use context to call someone out when it actually proves their point.
Don't try to use context to call someone out when it actually proves their point.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:04 pm to djsdawg
quote:So you think YPC dictates who is the better back?
It's not an opinion. Simply getting a few more cpg is not evidence of better. Go look at ypc. Guys that average under 5 ypc aren't better than Michel.
Derrius Guice
Stanley Boom Williams
Alvin Kamara
Leonard Fournette
Alex Collins
Jojo Kemp
Derrick Henry
Akeem Judd
All these players had a higher YPC than Michel last year. Your argument doesnt hold water no matter how you want to inflate his ability. Look, SM is a good RB...no one denies that...but top 5 in the SEC? Nope.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:07 pm to ChexMix
Massive spin imminent
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:08 pm to ChexMix
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So you think YPC dictates who is the better back?
I think its a much better comparison for a starting RB than YPG because YPC removes the number of carries as a major variable.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:13 pm to RB10
Almost 300 yards looks great.....until you realize it took 50 passes to make it happen, and that it involved a poor completion % and a poor td:int ratio. You ignoring all of that is not how a good point is made.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:21 pm to djsdawg
quote:I think you will use whatever you can to bolster your side of the argument.
I think its a much better comparison for a starting RB than YPG because YPC removes the number of carries as a major variable.
Also, i would rather have a RB that can carry the ball 25+ carries a game with a 5.0 YPC and stay healthy, than an explosive RB that gets 10-15 touches with a 6.5 YPC and is injury prone.
And in truth, most SEC teams try to have both options. Guice and LF, Chubb and Sony, Kamara and Hurd, etc..
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:22 pm to ChexMix
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think you will use whatever you can to bolster your side of the argument.
Nailed it. Dudes one of the most delusional posters on this site.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:23 pm to djsdawg
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Almost 300 yards looks great.....until you realize it took 50 passes to make it happen, and that it involved a poor completion % and a poor td:int ratio. You ignoring all of that is not how a good point is made.
Giving up 300 yards is never great when we're discussing one of the worst passing offenses in the country.
Fact.
This post was edited on 8/29/16 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:26 pm to djsdawg
I'm just here for the entertainment factor... you guys carry on, but to try and use *just* one stat to evaluate "top 5" or whatever you want, every team will spin it however the eff they want. YPC, YPG, Rushing Yardage total, Total offensive yards (rush/recv), Rushing TDs, Total TDs... (or the ol' McCaffery Total yards including return yards...)
There's a reason that the RB A v. RB B comparisons continue to get thrown around on these forums with no progress toward a decisive winner... it's all opinion. For whatever great stat you have about your guy, someone else has a negative. For Fournette, one might be the abysmal performance against Bama. For Chubb, it's coming off of injury or the quality of competition in the East.
I'm personally of the mind that both of those specific guys are perfect fits for where they are. And I'm pretty sure that if you asked most UGA/LSU guys would they trade, the answer is no. But if you also said "alternate reality, you no longer have *your guy* you have the other guy", no one is terribly concerned.
With Michel, I think he's probably a notch below Chubb/Fournette, but Guice, Scarborough, and even Kamara haven't carried the load like Michel did when Chubb went down last year. He's a versatile back who proved he was more than just a change of pace guy (more than 1K yards on one of the worst offensive units UGA has fielded from a downfield passing threat perspective). I have no doubt that at least one of the other 3 (and of course others) I listed will likely show they have similar abilities, but thus far to my knowledge haven't really shown the same ability to do it largely on their own.
As you were...
There's a reason that the RB A v. RB B comparisons continue to get thrown around on these forums with no progress toward a decisive winner... it's all opinion. For whatever great stat you have about your guy, someone else has a negative. For Fournette, one might be the abysmal performance against Bama. For Chubb, it's coming off of injury or the quality of competition in the East.
I'm personally of the mind that both of those specific guys are perfect fits for where they are. And I'm pretty sure that if you asked most UGA/LSU guys would they trade, the answer is no. But if you also said "alternate reality, you no longer have *your guy* you have the other guy", no one is terribly concerned.
With Michel, I think he's probably a notch below Chubb/Fournette, but Guice, Scarborough, and even Kamara haven't carried the load like Michel did when Chubb went down last year. He's a versatile back who proved he was more than just a change of pace guy (more than 1K yards on one of the worst offensive units UGA has fielded from a downfield passing threat perspective). I have no doubt that at least one of the other 3 (and of course others) I listed will likely show they have similar abilities, but thus far to my knowledge haven't really shown the same ability to do it largely on their own.
As you were...
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:26 pm to craigbiggio
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No one cares about UGA
I do!
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:30 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
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Baylor averaged over 600 yards per game.
Not rushing, they didn't. And they had their 3rd string QB in. They ran the vast majority of the gem out of the wildcat, so NOBODY thought Baylor might throw the ball.
That said, it won't be that easy for us.
ETA:
NC finished 118th in the Nation in rushing defense.
This post was edited on 8/29/16 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:30 pm to ChexMix
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I think you will use whatever you can to bolster your side of the argument.
Thats wrong. I would never use YPG as evidence a RB is better.
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i would rather have a RB that can carry the ball 25+ carries a game with a 5.0 YPC and stay healthy, than an explosive RB that gets 10-15 touches with a 6.5 YPC and is injury prone.
Injury prone? Michel played in every game last year. Chubb is the only reason Michel didnt have more CPG last year. CPG last year:
Webb 23
Hurd 21
Michel 17
Sure, YPC isn't perfect, but YPC is much better for a starting RB comparison than CPG is.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:38 pm to RB10
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Giving up 300 yards is never great when we're discussing one of the worst passing offenses in the country.
Giving up almost 300 on 25 passes is bad. Giving up almost 300 on 50 passes is very different. Thats the context you are ignoring.
To determine the quality of a passing performance, you need to look at YPA, TD %, INT %, AND completion %. You aren't looking at any of them because you know none of them are good individually or as a passer rating.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:38 pm to djsdawg
Whatever you say Simpson.
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