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re: All this talk about how the 12-team playoff will fix everything...
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:09 am to Tigerdog5
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:09 am to Tigerdog5
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SEC takes 7-8 of the 12 spots,
Not possible. The six highest ranked conference champions get in.
But most years you may see at least 4 SEC teams in.
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Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:12 am to WG_Dawg
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if you're ranked 12th after 13 weeks of action you dont desreve to be national champin. Period, end of story.
This is the weirdest fricking thing of all about the college football playoff - it still uses opinion polls.
Either have a playoff, or use opinion polls to pick the champions. Doing both is just stupid.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:15 am to BamaGradinTn
Take the current rankings and assume these teams win Saturday:
Georgia
Michigan
Washington
FSU
Texas
They are all in automatically.
Then the real fly in the ointment becomes Tulane, ranked 17th, who would be the sixth highest ranked conference champion. If they lose Saturday, it would then be Liberty, currently at #20.
The remaining six would likely be Oregon, Ohio State, and four from Alabama, Penn State, Missouri, Ole Miss, and Oklahoma.
Imagine a Liberty, Tulane, or SMU in the playoffs and not even in the top 16 teams in the country.
Georgia
Michigan
Washington
FSU
Texas
They are all in automatically.
Then the real fly in the ointment becomes Tulane, ranked 17th, who would be the sixth highest ranked conference champion. If they lose Saturday, it would then be Liberty, currently at #20.
The remaining six would likely be Oregon, Ohio State, and four from Alabama, Penn State, Missouri, Ole Miss, and Oklahoma.
Imagine a Liberty, Tulane, or SMU in the playoffs and not even in the top 16 teams in the country.
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 11:19 am
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:19 am to TheTideMustRoll
CFB will be more exciting when there are 15-20 teams/fanbases still with hopes and competing to make the playoff. I can't wait til next year. I just wish all games would be played on campus until the championship game.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:21 am to TheTideMustRoll
quote:possibly, but we all would also know that none of those teams have a snowballs chance in hell of winning, so it would just be regional bickering.
LSU, Ole Miss, and Missouri fans arguing back and forth about resume and head-to-head (I guess Missouri and Ole Miss already are, actually). The more things change, the more they will stay the same.
That is the argument against expansion. We generally know who the top 2 teams are, this year is a little different. UGA may not be as strong as they seem, Oregon may be pretty damn good. Then you got Bama, Texas, FSU, Mich that all could be some darkhorses. But 12 teams deserving of a playoff badge? I dont think that will ever happen. The last 2 in will be lambs to slaughter.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:22 am to WG_Dawg
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devalues the regular season
When is the last time Georgia has had a valued regular season slate? Literally the only reason Georgia's regular season gets any credit is because the SEC East is in the same conference as the SEC West. The West carries the water for "the SEC is the best conference" tenfold.
My Vols have got to improve. Florida has got to improve. Heck, South Carolina needs to get back to being scary occasionally.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:23 am to HottyToddy7
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Not it doesn't. It opens a ton of important games for tons of teams in November that right now mean nothing.
I don't see why people can't see this side of the argument.
Yes, we get that in a 12 team format... this SEC championship game isn't gong to matter as much because both Georgia and Bama would get in.
Howver, if Bama beats Georgia then we are going to have to hear Georgia fans whining about not getting in if they don't. And if they do... we are going to hear some other deserved team (Ohio State, Oregon, Washington, FSU) whining about the fact that Georgia got in over them.
Meanwhile, as you say, we will have a bunch more games in November that affect the bottom end of the playoff.
And by moving this conversation from 4/5 to 12/13... it will be more like the basketball tournament. In the basketball tournament, people whine about who didn't get in for a few days... then they forget about it.
Same will happen in football.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:24 am to Old Sarge
What is the purpose of the SEC championship game once the playoffs expand?
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:26 am to BamaGradinTn
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"The new 12-team College Football Playoff field will include the six highest-ranked conference champions, which will receive automatic bids. The top four teams will receive a first-round bye to the quarterfinals.
The six highest-ranked teams remaining will round out the 12-team format."
There has been talk with the Pac-12 going away that it will be top 5 conference champs rather than 6. Not sure if that is decided yet.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:26 am to Jack Daniel
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What is the purpose of the SEC championship game once the playoffs expand?
The four teams who get a bye will ONLY be conference champions. So in this season, UGA and Bama would be fighting for a round 1 bye.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:27 am to Tigerdog5
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SEC takes 7-8 of the 12 spots, Then you'll see PAC, B10, ACC cryout it's rigged.
There isnt going to BE a PAC after this season
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:27 am to TheTideMustRoll
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If we had a 12-team playoff this year, it would be LSU, Ole Miss, and Missouri fans arguing back and forth about resume and head-to-head (I guess Missouri and Ole Miss already are, actually). The more things change, the more they will stay the same.
I don't think anyone has proposed that the 12-team playoff will fix fans complaining and talking about stuff.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:27 am to BamaGradinTn
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Not possible. The six highest ranked conference champions get in.
They are going to, or have, made it the top five
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:27 am to Jack Daniel
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What is the purpose of the SEC championship game once the playoffs expand?
What's the purpose now?
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:28 am to DawginSC
Incentives for bye. That’s make sense
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:28 am to HottyToddy7
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it just devalues the regular season
Not it doesn't
i mean, it literally does. Hell we're abotu to see bama potentially win the SEC and not make the playoffs becuase of a loss head to head to texas in September. With a 12 team playoff that game means NOTHING as it relates to making the palyoff or not.
I mean it's simple math and common sense...with 4 teams in the playoffs you have a razor thin margin on how much you can lose in the regular season. With 12 teams you can lose and it not hurt you nearly as much
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:29 am to WG_Dawg
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4 is perfect for the same reason, if you're 5th...you fricked up somewhere.
the NFL has 30-32 teams and a third make the playoffs...I don't see anyone saying it devalues the regular season. FBS has 133 teams and now 12 will make it, Basketball has 66 make it and baseball has 64.
CFB had no playoff years ago bc of all the money bowls generated for the NCAA...meanwhile every other sport had playoffs and no one bitched about them.
Also with more teams able to make the playoffs it should spread the talent out some making it more competitive.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:36 am to Topwater Trout
the fact that penn st would be in a 12 team playoff over a couple teams below them would be a travesty
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:37 am to WG_Dawg
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i mean, it literally does. Hell we're abotu to see bama potentially win the SEC and not make the playoffs becuase of a loss head to head to texas in September. With a 12 team playoff that game means NOTHING as it relates to making the palyoff or not.
It does devalue the regular season, but that's not necessarily a bad thing in some ways. Bama is clearly one of the best 4 teams since that loss, why should they be left out because of one loss in September?
A harder week to week schedule because of conference realignment and a 12 team playoff coming together in the same year is FANTASTIC for college football. You're not having teams play 10 games with borderline pre-determined outcomes to give the other 2 on the schedule any sort of meaning.
Posted on 11/28/23 at 11:40 am to jonnyanony
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What's the purpose now?
With the expanded playoffs there is no purpose. It was believed that not having a playoff could get your conference left out of the BCS. Now all the conference championship does is affect seeding.
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